Re: [Church_of_Christ] Re: The Melting Pot
heb12347 wrote:
...I believe the statement that "the honest Bible student" will conclude 80% of everything we do is tradition not found in the NT is nothing but sheer nonsense!!! ... If you believe your statement, No[r]man and Kent, prove it.
Whoa whoa whoa!!!
Kent did not make this statement; he merely pointed out that the statement Norman made and the statement Ed heard were two different things.
Kent also said that he believed Norman's approach to the written Word-vs-Tradition (as opposed to Ed's approach) to be more consistent with the approach taken by Yahshua, but Kent never made any comment one way or the other about the 80% issue.
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Kent
Greetings Norman & Kent, ED
I believe I am an honest Bible student. I associate with others whom I
bleive represent honest Bible students. And I believe the statement that
"the honest Bible student" will conclude 80% of everything we do is
tradition not found in the NT is nothing but sheer nonsense!!!
What good do such declarations, void of any evidence or reasoned
argument, do but to raise an emotional response such as I provide here?
Nothing good comes from it! Reasoned evidence will be discussed, but
provocative declarations serve no positive purpose. If you believe your
statement, Noman and Kent, prove it. I disbelieve it!!! Come forth with
your 80% of things we do that are simply traditiion and not found in the
NT. Bring forth your charges, the challenge is issued and I will
answer!!!
ED Boggess
> > Norman wrote:
> >> Most [of] the acts we perform in worship come from our traditions,
> >> not from the NT. Someone said 80% of everything you do in worship
is
> >> tradition and not found in the NT. I believe the honest student of
> >> the NT will come to the same conclusion.
> >
> >
> > I believe this statement is nonsense! This year is the 200th
> > anniversary of T Campbell's Declaration and Address. In those 200
> > years ten of thousands of honest, open minded, often at first
> > skeptical, students of the Bible have worked to "speak where the
Bible
> > speaks and be silent where the Bible is silent." What you call
> > "traditions" were reached through years of dialogue and discussion,
> > review and testing, questioning and reasoning, over generations with
> > every generation raising the same questions and after carefully
> > studying arriving at generally the same conclusions. The process
> > continues even now!
>
> I might point out that this is the exact same process used by the
> religious authorities during the couple of centuries before the birth
of
> Yahshua. And Yahshua condemned severely the elevation of these "Oral
> Traditions" of the elders over the Word of God (Matt 15). The elders
> arrived at their traditions "through years of dialogue and discussion,
> review and testing, questioning and reasoning, over generations with
> every generation raising the same questions and after carefully
studying
> arriving at generally the same conclusions".
>
> Yahshua bypassed the traditions in favor of what the Word of God
> actually said, and condemned the elevation of traditions to the level
of
> scripture.
>
> It seems to me that Norman is simply following the example laid down
by
> the Master, in seeking the Biblical teaching rather than the
conclusions
> reached by generations of study/discussion.
>
> > It is an insult and disrespect of previous generations to claim that
> > 200 years of Restoration scholarship is based on dishonesty. To
> > suggest that those great men, who cannot defend themselves having
> > moved on to their rewards, were dishonest is a thing too mean for
me!!!
>
> If that's the suggestion which Norman made, I fully agree with you.
> However, I do not perceive that to be Norman's suggestion. He didn't
say
> that the men of 200 years ago were dishonest; he said that an honest
> student today would conclude that our current practices are based on
> tradition resulting from those men wrestling [honestly] with the
issues.
> Those are two totally different things.
>
> --
> Kent
>
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