Re: [FamilyofGod] 25 Questions (type in your answer)
Nope Jesus never taught the trinity. it never existed as jesus is not God never claimed to be either.
love u,Shirley La Fave
From: George <george_smith92530@
To: FamilyofGod@
Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 8:07:10 PM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] 25 Questions (type in your answer)
The trinity doctrine teaches that the "3" are all co equal. The verse you quoted shows Jesus saying that his Father is greater than he is. The trinity falls apart there. There are many places where the Father, son and holy spirit are mentioned but that does not make them a trinity of God. The actual doctrine of the trinity is not taught in the bible. The doctrine came into effect in about the year 350 ad after the third council. Before that and including all through the old testament one God is taught. Now we have fallen away from the teaching of Jesus that God is one.
In Christ, George.....
"The LORD is God. The LORD is one."
From: Naomi Martin <choir_girl_2009@ yahoo.com>
To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 7:47:27 PM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] 25 Questions (type in your answer)
Yes, in John Jesus does speak about the trinity. John 14:23 "If any man love me he will keep my words and my Father will love him and we will come unto him and make our abode with him, and he that loveth me not keepeth not my words, for the words I speak are not mine but the Father who sent me." "But the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things and keep in rememberance all that I have said unto you." "Ye have heard how I say that I will go away and come again unto you, if ye love me ye shall rejoice for I say I go unto the Father who is greater than I."
The scripture is full of the trinity, In John it says
| Jhn 1:1 | In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. |
| Jhn 1:2 | He was with God in the beginning. |
| Jhn 1:3 | Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. |
| Jhn 1:4 | In him was life, and that life was the light of men. |
| Jhn 1:14 | The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, [fn] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. |
If Jesus was not God, then why when He said "I and the Father are one" did the leaders want to stone Him? They themselves said "Not for any other reason do we stone you, but that you made yourself equal with God." another is John 12:44 "Jesus Cried and and said "He that believeth on me believeth on the one who sent me and he that sees me sees the one who sent me."
John 15:15 Jesus has now called us friends/brothers because he has made known to us what he is doing.
No mere man can take up his own life again. Jesus can not be mere man since he himself said " No man may take my life but I lay it down willingly and can take it up again." Colossians 1 starting at verse 15
Yes, Jesus was tempted in every way like us, yet without sin. He was showing us the way. Fight lies with Scripture. With "It is written".
Jesus was always in exsistance but as it says in the Scriptures " He did not consider equality with God to be grasped."
There are a couple different deaths, physical and spiritual. Physically yes we die but spirtually, no. Unless we face the second death as an unbeliever.
We do go straight to heaven, remember the parable Jesus told of Lazarus and the Rich man? Or as Jesus was dying what he said to the theif on the cross?
According to the Scriptures, the righteous go to Abraham's bosom while the wicked go to Sheoul at death. Also the wicked will face the White Throne Judgement which the rightous will not face.
The bible says that the smoke from the tormented rises up before God's nostrels forever. It is an unquenchable fire. Read Revelation.
From: George <george_smith92530@ yahoo.com>
To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 9:16:47 PM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] 25 Questions (type in your answer)
Did Jesus preach on the trinity? Yes in both John Chapter 1 and the last Chapter of John and the first Chapter of Acts when He ascended to Heaven.
John one is not Jesus preaching. How does the first chapter of acts teach about the trinity?
Who started the trinity doctrine? Jesus because He came to earth as a baby to die for human kind. "He became sin who knew no sin that we might become His righteousness. "
How is this the trinity?
What year did the trinity start? "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God and the same in the beginning was with God, the man Christ Jesus."
You actually added to the quote when you put on 'the man Christ Jesus'. You take it for granted the the Word is Jesus. Jesus portrayed the word and lived the word. That is why you can say the word became flesh.
Is Jesus God? yes
Not once did Jesus call himself God.
Is Mary the mother of God? yes
How can God have a mother?
Are we the brothers and sisters of God? No, we are the sons and daughters of God. "Jesus said, I go to my God and your God, my Father and your Father."
I agree we are not brothers of God. That is unthinkable.
Are we brothers and sisters of Christ? Yes, "Jesus said, 'He who does the will of my Father, he is my Brother and Sister and Mother.'"
Yes, Jesus calls us 'brothers'. So he cannot be God because God has no brothers.
Can God die? No, Jesus, the visible representation died for our sins.
That's right. God cannot die. Jesus cannot be God because he died. Jesus took the penalty for our sins. The penalty for sin is death.
Can God be tempted? No, and neither can he tempt any man.
Jesus was tempted so he cannot be God. He is a man.
Did Jesus pre-exist? yes. In the beginning according to Genesis and as well as throughout the old testament.
This word is an oxymoron. How can anything exist before it exists. Jesus was born after he was concieved in Mary by the power of the Holy Spirit. This is why he was called the son of God.
Is pre-exist really a word? yes
It may be a word but it is an oxymoron because something can't exist before it exists.
Is it possible to pre-exist your existence? I dont know
Just like Jesus we come into existence at our birth.
Are we really dead when we die? no, it is written " I am the ressurrection and the life, he who believes in me, though he were dead yet will he live, and he that livith and believeth in me shall never die"
When we die we are dead. Jesus is the resurrection because he will raise us from the dead. Our hope is in the resurrection from the dead. If we are not really dead why the resurrection?
Will Jesus come back and raise us from the dead? yes
Amen!
When we rise from the dead will we live on the earth? I believe so
Yes, that is our hope. Most people think that when we die we go straight to Heaven. That is not true though. We don't go anywhere untill Jesus returns and raises us from the dead.
Will we reign with Christ for a 1000 years? yes
I'm looking forward to it.
Will all rise from the dead eventually? yes
I agree. Everyone will eventually rise from the dead. Some to life and some to judgement and death. There is no waiting place for the dead. The good and the bad all go to the same place untill they come back to life.
When will the dead be judged? in the last days
They will be judged after the 1000 year reign of Christ.
Do those who are lost get sent to eternal torment? yes
No, the evil will be destroyed forever, not tormented. The punishment has to fit the crime. The wages of sin is death not eternal life of torment.
Do the lost get destroyed forever? yes
Yes destroyed in the lake of fire. They burn up and they are gone forever. What purpose would God have for keeping them around?
When did Jesus begin his existence? He exsisted before the world was created
When he was begotton.
How many persons are their in God? 3
God is one.
How many Gods are there? 1
I agree.
Is there just one God? yes
Of course!
Are you being honest with your answers? yes
Well you are trying anyway. 
In Christ, George.....
"The LORD is God. The LORD is one."
From: Naomi Martin <choir_girl_2009@ yahoo.com>
To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 4:53:24 PM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] 25 Questions (type in your answer)
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