Re: [FamilyofGod] 25 Questions (type in your answer)/George
Wrong, it is seperate. Our spirits are eternal and live forever do they not? But these broken human bodies don't, but we will be given a new heavenly body.
There is no greater love than this, to give up your life willingly for others.
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From: Wanda Ward <angelina56p47@
To: FamilyofGod@
Sent: Sun, February 28, 2010 7:35:44 PM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] 25 Questions (type in your answer)/George
you have a spirit just like i do that doesn't mean it is a seperate intity
GOD IS LOVE
wanda
Prov.28:13- he that covereth his sin shall not prosper, but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them , shall have mercy.
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From: Naomi Martin <choir_girl_
To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 8:31:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] 25 Questions (type in your answer)/George
Smile, right there you proved the trinity does indeed exsist. I'm very pleased dear Wanda. You acknowledge the Holy Spirit as the Spirit of God. Its a little like us, we have a spirit, a soul, and a body, three parts of one body. My spirit is still part of me. It would be crazy to think of my body and spirit as different, wouldn't it? And if, as you say The Holy Spirit is the "spirit of Jesus" or "the spirit of God" How can the Holy Spirit not be one and the same?
There is no greater love than this, to give up your life willingly for others.
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From: Wanda Ward <angelina56p47@ yahoo.com>
To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 6:23:53 PM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] 25 Questions (type in your answer)/George
i believe in God the Father and Jesus his son. when you blaspheme the Holy Ghost, it means you say there is nothing to the spirit of Jesus. when you know the spirit of God and deny the power there of.
GOD IS LOVE
wanda
Prov.28:13- he that covereth his sin shall not prosper, but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them , shall have mercy.
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From: Naomi Martin <choir_girl_
To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 5:11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] 25 Questions (type in your answer)/George
To blaspheme, to me means to say that someone isn't who they say they are. To ignore that they exsist. It doesn't do any good to believe in one God alone, it is written "You believe in one God, good, so do the demons and shudder."
There is no greater love than this, to give up your life willingly for others.
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From: Wanda Ward <angelina56p47@ yahoo.com>
To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 6:02:03 PM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] 25 Questions (type in your answer)/George
i meant do you know how to explain it? i know what it means to me but some people think it is something else.
GOD IS LOVE
wanda
Prov.28:13- he that covereth his sin shall not prosper, but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them , shall have mercy.
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From: Wanda Ward <angelina56p47@ yahoo.com>
To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 4:40:35 PM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] 25 Questions (type in your answer)/George
blaspheming the Holy Ghost what does it mean?
GOD IS LOVE
wanda
Prov.28:13- he that covereth his sin shall not prosper, but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them , shall have mercy.
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From: Naomi Martin <choir_girl_
To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 3:52:16 PM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] 25 Questions (type in your answer)/George
It is written in Mark 3 verses 28 and 29 " Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation"
There is no greater love than this, to give up your life willingly for others.
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From: Wanda Ward <angelina56p47@ yahoo.com>
To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 9:39:27 PM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] 25 Questions (type in your answer)/George
but nothing says the Holy Spirit is a God either!
GOD IS LOVE
wanda
Prov.28:13- he that covereth his sin shall not prosper, but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them , shall have mercy.
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From: Naomi Martin <choir_girl_
To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 3:15:22 PM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] 25 Questions (type in your answer)/George
George, you know I care about you a whole lot as my brother and as a dear friend but with this you have gone to far. I know beyond any doubt that the Trinity is true, not because of proof, because the infinity of God isn't something that finite humans can grasp, but I believe simply because I have seen it in my own life and I live on faith. Though there is much evidence for the teaching of the Triune God you refuse to see it, and as far as I see, you have grieved the Holy Spirit and that is the one unpardonable sin. I make one last plea to you, research this further, study the ancient greek and hebrew texts and see for yourself. Repent and turn back before it is to late and you join the goats and the Great White Throne Judgement. It hurts me to think that you might be there George. I care about you a lot but until either Daddy gives me the green light or you come around and come to me first, this is my last attempt and I wipe the very dust off my
feet.
Good-bye George, hopefully not forever.
There is no greater love than this, to give up your life willingly for others.
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From: George <george_smith92530@ yahoo.com>
To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 3:58:27 PM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] 25 Questions (type in your answer)/George
Ok, God is real. Trinity is made up.
In Christ, George.....
"The LORD is God. The LORD is one."
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From: Naomi Martin <choir_girl_
To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 12:22:33 PM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] 25 Questions (type in your answer)/George
*Smile* Thanks Molly, good one. I've been getting stressed and upset lately, I needed something to make me laugh. So true, so true. Explain God and you can explain the Trinity. Thanks a bunch!
There is no greater love than this, to give up your life willingly for others.
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From: George <george_smith92530@ yahoo.com>
To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 11:41:08 PM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] 25 Questions (type in your answer)/George
Good one Molly...lol. .
In Christ, George.....
"The LORD is God. The LORD is one."
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From: Molly Chandy <jmchandy@yahoo. com>
To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 8:12:49 PM
Subject: [FamilyofGod] 25 Questions (type in your answer)/George
Hi George,
Please explain 'God' to me. Then I will explain Trinity.
Molly
--- On Fri, 2/26/10, George <george_smith92530@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>From: George <george_smith92530@ yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] 25 Questions (type in your answer)
>To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
>Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 5:07 AM
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>Whenever someone discusses the trinity doctrine it always ends with, "It's a mystery. You just have to accept it by faith." It always ends this way because it is unexplainable. It's not logical and it's not biblical. It all comes from the mind of man. Worse yet it comes from the mind of someone more diabolical.
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>In Christ, George.....
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>Click to join GersonTherapy
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From: Naomi Martin <choir_girl_
>To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
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>I'm sorry you feel that way george. I've tried in every way I can to prove the trinity to you but you refuse to listen and I honestly dont really know how to prove something that I take on faith.
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> "The Words I speak are not of Me, but from the Father who sent Me." "He who has ears to hear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches", and WE are that church, the temple of the Holy Spirit!
>Mat 23:27 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead [men's] bones and all uncleanness. Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness. "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, and say, 'If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.' "Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' [guilt]. Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks
under [her] wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate;for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, 'Blessed [is] He who comes in the name of the LORD!'
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From: George <george_smith92530@ yahoo.com>
>To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
>Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 4:53:44 PM
>Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] 25 Questions (type in your answer)
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>In John 14 Jesus said, "
>Jhn 14:1 "Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me.
>Yes, we believe in God. We should also believe in Jesus who was'nt God. He wouldn't have said "believe ALSO in me if he was God himself".
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>In My Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.
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>and then again in verse 6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own [authority]; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. Believe Me that I [am] in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves. Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater [works] than these he will do, because I go to My Father.
>The key is that the Father was IN Jesus. Jesus spoke God's words and had recieved all power and authority from God. God gave all that to him. It was inherently his own. He could only do what God showed him. In everything Jesus portrayed the Father. That is why you could say when you see Jesus you see the Father. We both agree that Jesus is not the Father. That's the belief for the Oneness group.
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>And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do [it]. "If you love Me, keep My commandments. "
>Yes, The Father is glorified in the son. The key word is "IN".
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>In Christ, George.....
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From: Naomi Martin <choir_girl_
>To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
>Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 11:47:30 AM
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>In John 14 Jesus said, "
>Jhn 14:1 "Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me.
>In My Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.
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>and then again in verse 6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own [authority]; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. Believe Me that I [am] in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves. Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater [works] than these he will do, because I go to My Father.
>And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do [it]. "If you love Me, keep My commandments. "
>There is no greater love than this, to give up your life willingly for others.
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From: shirley lafave <amba55ador4chr15t@ yahoo.com>
>To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
>Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 1:34:11 PM
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From: Wanda Ward <angelina56p47@ yahoo.com>
>To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
>Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 9:06:39 AM
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>so why did God say let us make man in our own image?
> GOD IS LOVE
>wanda
>Prov.28:13- he that covereth his sin shall not prosper, but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them , shall have mercy.
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>To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
>Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 2:28:49 AM
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>I know that you are so set in your ways and that there is nothing I can do to pursuade you, so this is my last attempt. Scripture is all I know and all I base my faith on, but since you wont listen, let me show you what others have said and let God interpret them for you. I will be praying for you.
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>>Gen 1:1-4 "In the beginning, when God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was a formless wasteland, and darkness covered the abyss, while a mighty wind swept over the waters. Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. God saw how good the light was. God then separated the light from the darkness."
>It is clear from these verses that there was only "One God" who created the heavens and the earth. It is also clear to anyone who continues to read the First Story of Creation within the Book of Genesis, that there is no mention of "The True God" creating His Son "The lesser god" who in turn created all things. It just is not there. So much for Harold's interpretation of John 1:1-11.
>Gen 1:26 reads: "Then God said: "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness."
>It is my opinion that the First Story of Creation supports the doctrine of the Holy Trinity and at the very least, it does not oppose the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. However, there is no Biblical support here for the position proposed by Harold Kupp. For we know that "God" (singular) created the heavens and the earth. And we also know that "God" said "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness." Since there can only be one Creator or "God" then the "us" in Gen 1:26 must refer to the Persons of the Holy Trinity (co-equal and co-eternal). If the "us" in Gen 1:26 were other gods (lesser gods) it surely does not make that point clear in the Bible and would contradict the First Story of Creation. Also, if that were the case, why wouldn't the Bible simply state that "The God" created "the lesser god" who created all things? It does not say that because it is not true. Once again, so much for Harold's interpretation of John 1:1-11.
>Exodus 20:2-6 reads: "I, the Lord, am your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. You shall not have other gods besides me. You shall not carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything in the sky above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth; you shall not bow down before them or worship them. For I, the Lord, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishment for their fathers' wickedness on the children of those who hate me, down to the third and fourth generation; but bestowing mercy down to those who love me and keep my commandments. "
>Now if Jesus (the Son of God) was not one in being with the Father (Holy Trinity), but rather a "lesser god" as Harold Kupp would have you believe, then Harold would clearly be breaking the First Commandment. For it is written: "You shall not have other gods besides me." The only way any person could worship Jesus without breaking the First Commandment would be if Jesus is "The God" and not a "lesser god" as Harold would have you believe. Here we have a clear case of Old Testament Scripture supporting "One God", "Three Divine Persons." This scripture in no way supports Harold's position that God the Father and God the Son are separate Gods, the only logical conclusion is that they are One God, but separate Persons.
>Jamie K. Roth
>RothJKRoth@
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>Section 1 - The Godhead (Trinity):
>Matthew 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
>Mark 12:29 Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one.
>John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
>God the Father
>Revelation 4:11 "You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created."
>Hebrews 1:1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
>The Son
>John 14:8 Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." 9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
>Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.
>John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
>John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
>1Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
>Hebrews 7:25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
>1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
>2 Corinthians 5:21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
>1 Peter 2:24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.
>1Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
>Acts 13:38 "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 "and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses. 40 "Beware therefore, lest what has been spoken in the prophets come upon you: 41 "Behold, you despisers, Marvel and perish! For I work a work in your days, A work which you will by no means believe, Though one were to declare it to you.'"
>John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
>Hebrews 9:2 For a tabernacle was prepared: the first part, in which was the lampstand, the table, and the showbread, which is called the sanctuary; 3 and behind the second veil, the part of the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of All, 4 which had the golden censer and the ark of the covenant overlaid on all sides with gold, in which were the golden pot that had the manna, Aaron's rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant; 5 and above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat. Of these things we cannot now speak in detail. 6 Now when these things had been thus prepared, the priests always went into the first part of the tabernacle, performing the services. 7 But into the second part the high priest went alone once a year, not without blood, which he offered for himself and for the people's sins committed in ignorance; 8 the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while
the first tabernacle was still standing. 9 It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience— 10 concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation. 11 But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. 12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, 14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for
this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. 16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. 18 Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood. 19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water, scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying, "This is the blood of the covenant which God has commanded you." 21 Then likewise he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry. 22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding
of blood there is no remission. 23 Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another—26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
>Hebrews 10:10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
>The Holy Spirit
>John 16:14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
>Titus 3:5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
>1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
>Ephesians 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
>1 Corinthians 3:16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
>John 16:13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
>John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
>Ephesians 5:18 And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit,
>John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever
>Act 1:8 "But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."
>John 16:8 "And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 "of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 "of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 "of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
>Section 2 - Scriptures
>2 Peter 3:16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
>2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
>Psalm 89:34 My covenant I will not break, Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.
>John 17:17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
>Section 3 - Man
>Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
>Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Has God indeed said, 'You shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?" 2 And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 "but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.'" 4 Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die. 5 "For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." 6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made
themselves coverings.
>Genesis 3:24 So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.
>Romans 3:9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin. 10 As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one; 11 There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. 12 They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one."
>Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned
>John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
>Section 4 - Salvation
>1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve.
>2 Corinthians 5:21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
>Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
>Acts 26:20 "but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance.
>Romans 8:15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father." 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
>Romans 8:37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
>1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
>Ephesians 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
>Section 5 – Heaven and Hell and the return of Christ
>1Thessalonians 4:13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
>Matthew 25:34 "Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
>John 14:2 "In My Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
>2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
>Revelation 2:7 "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God."'
>Matthew 10:28 "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
>Matthew 13:49 "So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 "and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
>Mark 9:47 "And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire—— 48 "where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.'
>Revelation 21:8 "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
>Section 6 - Satan
>Isaiah 14:12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! 13 For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.' 15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit.
>Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. 7 And the LORD said to Satan, "From where do you come?" So Satan answered the LORD and said, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it." 8 Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?" 9 So Satan answered the LORD and said, "Does Job fear God for nothing? 10 "Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11 "But now, stretch out Your hand and touch all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face!" 12 And the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person." So Satan went
out from the presence of the LORD.
>Ezekiel 28:15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you. 16 "By the abundance of your trading You became filled with violence within, And you sinned; Therefore I cast you as a profane thing Out of the mountain of God; And I destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the fiery stones. 17 "Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor; I cast you to the ground, I laid you before kings, That they might gaze at you.
>Matthew 25:41 "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
>Revelation 20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
>Section 7 – The Church
>Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.
>Ephesians 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
>Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service.
>Acts 2:42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers. 43 Then fear came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles. 44 Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, 45 and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need. 46 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart,
>1 Corinthians 14:26 How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.
>Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
>Matthew 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
>Titus 1:5 For this reason I left you in Crete, that you should set in order the things that are lacking, and appoint elders in every city as I commanded you
>Ephesians 4:11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.
>Section 8 – Creation
>Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. 3 Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. 6 Then God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day. 9 Then God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear"; and it was
so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good. 11 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth"; and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 So the evening and the morning were the third day. 14 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 "and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so. 16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made
the stars also. 17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day. 20 Then God said, "Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens." 21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth." 23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day. 24 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each
according to its kind"; and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth." 29 And God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it
shall be for food. 30 "Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food"; and it was so. 31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day. 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made. 4 This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5 before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the LORD God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there
was no man to till the ground; 6 but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. 8 The LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed. 9 And out of the ground the LORD God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. 10 Now a river went out of Eden to water the garden, and from there it parted and became four riverheads. 11 The name of the first is Pishon; it is the one which skirts the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 And the gold of that land is good. Bdellium and the onyx stone are there. 13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it is the one which goes around the whole land of Cush. 14 The name of the
third river is Hiddekel; it is the one which goes toward the east of Assyria. The fourth river is the Euphrates. 15 Then the LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 "but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." 18 And the LORD God said, "It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him." 19 Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper comparable to him. 21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall on
Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. 22 Then the rib which the LORD God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man. 23 And Adam said: "This is now bone of my bones And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man." 24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. 25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
>Hebrews 11:3 By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.
>Section 9 – Marriage
>Malachi 2:14 Yet you say, "For what reason?" Because the LORD has been witness Between you and the wife of your youth, With whom you have dealt treacherously; Yet she is your companion And your wife by covenant.
>Ephesians 5:31 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."
>Section 10 – Homosexuality
>Romans 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
>Leviticus 20:13 'If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.
>Section 11 – Ordinances
>1 Corinthians 11:24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me." 25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes.
>Acts 10:47 "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?" 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.
>Section 12 – Spiritual Gifts
>1 Corinthians 12:4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord.
>1 Corinthians 12:11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills. 12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
>1 Corinthians 13:8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
>1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, do not be children in understanding; however, in malice be babes, but in understanding be mature. 21 In the law it is written: "With men of other tongues and other lips I will speak to this people; And yet, for all that, they will not hear Me," says the Lord. 22 Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe. 23 Therefore if the whole church comes together in one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those who are uninformed or unbelievers, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24 But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an uninformed person comes in, he is convinced by all, he is convicted by all. 25 And thus the secrets of his heart are revealed; and so, falling down on his face, he will worship God and report that God is truly among you.
>1 Corinthians 1:22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom;
>Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people, 12 To whom He said, "This is the rest with which You may cause the weary to rest," And, "This is the refreshing"; Yet they would not hear.
>Acts 2:1 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. 7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, "Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? 8 "And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? 9 "Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10
"Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 "Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God." 12 So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, "Whatever could this mean?" 13 Others mocking said, "They are full of new wine." 14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, "Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. 15 "For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. 16 "But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17 'And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. 18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in
those days; And they shall prophesy. 19 I will show wonders in heaven above And signs in the earth beneath: Blood and fire and vapor of smoke. 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD. 21 And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the LORD Shall be saved.'
>Ephesians 2:19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone,
>1 Corinthians 14:12 Even so you, since you are zealous for spiritual gifts, let it be for the edification of the church that you seek to excel. 13 Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding. 16 Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed say "Amen" at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you say? 17 For you indeed give thanks well, but the other is not edified. 18 I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all; 19 yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue.
>1 Corinthians 14:27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. 28 But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God.
>1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
>1 Corinthians 14:39 Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues. 40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
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>Elohim is plural, and is used in many places.
>For instance, Gen.1:1 uses Elohim, then in verse 2, we read the spirit was on the face of the waters. Everyone is there!
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>Holy Ghost - Acts 5:3-4, 2 Corinthians 13:14, Matthew 28:29, and there are several other verses in the NT that has the Holy Ghost doing things that only God can do.
>Some other Trinity verses; (Isaiah 43:10-11, Acts 4:11-12, Luke 2:11, Titus 2:13 - Jesus is the Savior and God is the Savior, and there is only one God and only one Savior).
>(Mark 2:7, John 8:24, Mark 2:10 - Only God can forgive sins and Jesus forgives sins).
>Philippians 2:5-8, Colossians 2:9, John 20:28-29, Matthew 1:23, Isaiah 9:6, John 10:30, Jude 20, 1 Peter 1:2, 2 Cor. 13:14, Romans 1:1-4, 1 Cor. 12:4
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>The trinity doctrine teaches that the "3" are all co equal. The verse you quoted shows Jesus saying that his Father is greater than he is. The trinity falls apart there. There are many places where the Father, son and holy spirit are mentioned but that does not make them a trinity of God. The actual doctrine of the trinity is not taught in the bible. The doctrine came into effect in about the year 350 ad after the third council. Before that and including all through the old testament one God is taught. Now we have fallen away from the teaching of Jesus that God is one.
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>Yes, in John Jesus does speak about the trinity. John 14:23 "If any man love me he will keep my words and my Father will love him and we will come unto him and make our abode with him, and he that loveth me not keepeth not my words, for the words I speak are not mine but the Father who sent me." "But the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things and keep in rememberance all that I have said unto you." "Ye have heard how I say that I will go away and come again unto you, if ye love me ye shall rejoice for I say I go unto the Father who is greater than I."
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>The scripture is full of the trinity, In John it says
>Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
>Jhn 1:2 He was with God in the beginning.
>Jhn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
>Jhn 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
>Jhn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, [fn] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
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>If Jesus was not God, then why when He said "I and the Father are one" did the leaders want to stone Him? They themselves said "Not for any other reason do we stone you, but that you made yourself equal with God." another is John 12:44 "Jesus Cried and and said "He that believeth on me believeth on the one who sent me and he that sees me sees the one who sent me."
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>John 15:15 Jesus has now called us friends/brothers because he has made known to us what he is doing.
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>No mere man can take up his own life again. Jesus can not be mere man since he himself said " No man may take my life but I lay it down willingly and can take it up again." Colossians 1 starting at verse 15
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>Yes, Jesus was tempted in every way like us, yet without sin. He was showing us the way. Fight lies with Scripture. With "It is written".
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>Jesus was always in exsistance but as it says in the Scriptures " He did not consider equality with God to be grasped."
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>There are a couple different deaths, physical and spiritual. Physically yes we die but spirtually, no. Unless we face the second death as an unbeliever.
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>We do go straight to heaven, remember the parable Jesus told of Lazarus and the Rich man? Or as Jesus was dying what he said to the theif on the cross?
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>According to the Scriptures, the righteous go to Abraham's bosom while the wicked go to Sheoul at death. Also the wicked will face the White Throne Judgement which the rightous will not face.
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>The bible says that the smoke from the tormented rises up before God's nostrels forever. It is an unquenchable fire. Read Revelation.
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>Did Jesus preach on the trinity? Yes in both John Chapter 1 and the last Chapter of John and the first Chapter of Acts when He ascended to Heaven.
> John one is not Jesus preaching. How does the first chapter of acts teach about the trinity?
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>Who started the trinity doctrine? Jesus because He came to earth as a baby to die for human kind. "He became sin who knew no sin that we might become His righteousness. "
> How is this the trinity?
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>What year did the trinity start? "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God and the same in the beginning was with God, the man Christ Jesus."
> You actually added to the quote when you put on 'the man Christ Jesus'. You take it for granted the the Word is Jesus. Jesus portrayed the word and lived the word. That is why you can say the word became flesh.
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>Is Jesus God? yes
>Not once did Jesus call himself God.
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>Is Mary the mother of God? yes
>How can God have a mother?
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>Are we the brothers and sisters of God? No, we are the sons and daughters of God. "Jesus said, I go to my God and your God, my Father and your Father."
>I agree we are not brothers of God. That is unthinkable.
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>Are we brothers and sisters of Christ? Yes, "Jesus said, 'He who does the will of my Father, he is my Brother and Sister and Mother.'"
>Yes, Jesus calls us 'brothers'. So he cannot be God because God has no brothers.
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>Can God die? No, Jesus, the visible representation died for our sins.
>That's right. God cannot die. Jesus cannot be God because he died. Jesus took the penalty for our sins. The penalty for sin is death.
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>Can God be tempted? No, and neither can he tempt any man.
>Jesus was tempted so he cannot be God. He is a man.
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>Did Jesus pre-exist? yes. In the beginning according to Genesis and as well as throughout the old testament.
>This word is an oxymoron. How can anything exist before it exists. Jesus was born after he was concieved in Mary by the power of the Holy Spirit. This is why he was called the son of God.
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>Is pre-exist really a word? yes
>It may be a word but it is an oxymoron because something can't exist before it exists.
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>Is it possible to pre-exist your existence? I dont know
>Just like Jesus we come into existence at our birth.
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>Are we really dead when we die? no, it is written " I am the ressurrection and the life, he who believes in me, though he were dead yet will he live, and he that livith and believeth in me shall never die"
>When we die we are dead. Jesus is the resurrection because he will raise us from the dead. Our hope is in the resurrection from the dead. If we are not really dead why the resurrection?
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>Will Jesus come back and raise us from the dead? yes
>Amen!
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>When we rise from the dead will we live on the earth? I believe so
>Yes, that is our hope. Most people think that when we die we go straight to Heaven. That is not true though. We don't go anywhere untill Jesus returns and raises us from the dead.
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>Will we reign with Christ for a 1000 years? yes
>I'm looking forward to it.
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>Will all rise from the dead eventually? yes
>I agree. Everyone will eventually rise from the dead. Some to life and some to judgement and death. There is no waiting place for the dead. The good and the bad all go to the same place untill they come back to life.
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>When will the dead be judged? in the last days
>They will be judged after the 1000 year reign of Christ.
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>Do those who are lost get sent to eternal torment? yes
>No, the evil will be destroyed forever, not tormented. The punishment has to fit the crime. The wages of sin is death not eternal life of torment.
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>Do the lost get destroyed forever? yes
>Yes destroyed in the lake of fire. They burn up and they are gone forever. What purpose would God have for keeping them around?
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>When did Jesus begin his existence? He exsisted before the world was created
>When he was begotton.
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>How many persons are their in God? 3
>God is one.
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>How many Gods are there? 1
>I agree.
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>Is there just one God? yes
>Of course!
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>Are you being honest with your answers? yes
>Well you are trying anyway.
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>In Christ, George.....
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>"The LORD is God. The LORD is one."
>Click to join GersonTherapy
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From: Naomi Martin <choir_girl_
>To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
>Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 4:53:24 PM
>Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] 25 Questions (type in your answer)
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>Did Jesus preach on the trinity? Yes in both John Chapter 1 and the last Chapter of John and the first Chapter of Acts when He ascended to Heaven.
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>Who started the trinity doctrine? Jesus because He came to earth as a baby to die for human kind. "He became sin who knew no sin that we might become His righteousness. "
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>What year did the trinity start? "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God and the same in the beginning was with God, the man Christ Jesus."
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>Is Jesus God? yes
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>Is Mary the mother of God? yes
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>Are we the brothers and sisters of God? No, we are the sons and daughters of God. "Jesus said, I go to my God and your God, my Father and your Father."
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>Are we brothers and sisters of Christ? Yes, "Jesus said, 'He who does the will of my Father, he is my Brother and Sister and Mother.'"
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>Can God die? No, Jesus, the visible representation died for our sins.
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>Can God be tempted? No, and neither can he tempt any man.
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>Did Jesus pre-exist? yes. In the beginning according to Genesis and as well as throughout the old testament.
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>Is pre-exist really a word? yes
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>Is it possible to pre-exist your existence? I dont know
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>Are we really dead when we die? no, it is written " I am the ressurrection and the life, he who believes in me, though he were dead yet will he live, and he that livith and believeth in me shall never die"
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>Will Jesus come back and raise us from the dead? yes
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>When we rise from the dead will we live on the earth? I believe so
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>Will we reign with Christ for a 1000 years? yes
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>Will all rise from the dead eventually? yes
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>When will the dead be judged? in the last days
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>Do those who are lost get sent to eternal torment? yes
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>Do the lost get destroyed forever? yes
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>When did Jesus begin his existence? He exsisted before the world was created
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>How many persons are their in God? 3
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>How many Gods are there? 1
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>Is there just one God? yes
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>Are you being honest with your answers? yes
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>In Christ, George.....
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>"The LORD is God. The LORD is one."
>Click to join GersonTherapy
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