Family of God: Re: [FamilyofGod] Fwd: Could Jesus Have Survived the Crucifixion?

There are illusions to the adultery thing, but actually -- it's not really there specifically. But, you (like MANY people) are told that she was a prostitute or that she was committing adultery. you aren't alone in being taught that. That's for sure. But, I can explain where the idea comes from that's for sure. The idea that she was that type of person came about in the 6th century actually. The whole history behind it is kinda interesting.

Luke 8:1-3, "Soon afterwards he went on through cities and villages, proclaiming and bringing the good news of the kingdom of God. The twelve were with him, as well as some women who had been cured of evil spirits and infirmities: Mary, called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out, and Joanna, the wife of Herod's steward Chuza, and Susanna, and many others, who provided for them out of their resources."

Mark 16:9, "Now after he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons."

Those are the two accounts of where it talks about what Jesus did for her. The illusion to the adultery is linked to the story that lies right BEFORE Luke 8. To explain this I am going to break in the middle of things to give comments. My comments are in brackets [...] Hope this makes sense.

Luke 7:36-50, "One of the Pharisees asked Jesus to eat with him, and he went into the Pharisee's house and took his place at the table. And a woman in the city, who was a sinner, having learned that he was eating in the Phrarisee's house, brought an alabaster jar of ointment. She stood behind him at his feet, weeping, and began to bathe his feet with her tears and to dry them with her hair. Now when the Pharisee who had invited him saw it, he said to himself, 'If this man were a prophet, he would have known who and what kind of woman this is who is touching him--that she is a sinner.'

[Here it is seen two things 1) No name is given to the sinful woman. Also 2) No specific sin is named actually. It is just that she is a sinner. Yes, it can possibly be some sexual sin, but it is also equally possible that it wasn't.]

"Jesus spoke up and said to him, 'Simon, I have something to say to you.' 'Teacher,' he replied, 'Speak.' 'A certain creditor had two debtors; one owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. When they could not pay, he canceled the debts for both of them. Now which of them will love him more?' Simon answered, 'I suppose the one for whom he canceled the greater debt.' Jesus said to him, 'You have judged rightly.' Then turning toward the woman, he said to Simon, 'Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave me no water for my feet, but she has bathed my feet with her tears and dried them with her hair. You gave me no kiss, but from the time I came in she has not stopped kissing my feet. You did not anoint my head with oil, but she has anointed my feet with ointment. Therefore, I tell you, her sins, which were many, have been forgiven; hence she has shown great love. But the one to whom little is forgiven, loves little.' Then he said to her, 'Your sins are forgiven.' But those who were at the table with him began to say among themselves, 'Who is this who even forgives sins?' And he said to the woman, 'Your faith has saved you; go in peace.'

[Only God could forgives the sins of someone that were committed against God. Jesus was equating himself with God by doing something only God could. This absolutely angered the Pharisees. In the story, though -- no specific sin is mentioned. No name of a woman is mentioned -- however -- this story is LINKED to another story in another gospel which makes for the connection to Mary. There are other stories about a woman that anointed Jesus feet, but it doesn't mention that she was a sinful woman.]

John 12:1-8, "Six days before the Passover Jesus came to Bethany, the home of Lazarus, whom he had raised from the dead. There they gave a dinner for him. Martha served, and Lazarus was one of those at the table with him. Mary took a pound of costly perfume, made of pure nard, anointed Jesus' feet, and wiped them with her hair. The house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume. But Judas Iscariot, one of his disciples (the one who was about to betray him), said, 'Why was this perfume not sold for three hundred denarii and the money given to the poor?' (He said this not because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief; he kept the common purse and used to steal what was put into it.) Jesus said, 'Leave her alone. She bought it so that she might keep it for the day of my burial. You always have the poor with you, but you do not always have me.'"

See, here there is another anointing story, but the name is given -- Mary. So, it is easy that some connect the story in Luke 7 to this story in John 12. The one in John 12 names the woman as Mary (of Bethany) -- sister of Lazarus. It doesn't, however, call the woman sinful. It also happens near the end of his life, but the story in Luke 7 is earlier in the ministry. They are, indeed, two separate accounts -- though many squeeze them together. This story is repeated also in Matthew 26:6-13. The woman is NOT named in Matthew, but the story matches that of John's account -- it's in Bethany, it's near the end of his life, the disciples are angered about the money, and so on. So, it can be seen again that the woman in Luke 7 isn't Mary of Bethany -- that's for sure.

The story of the woman caught in adultery is found in John 8. Again, it's somewhat like the story in Luke 7 in that the name of the woman isn't named. The story in John 8 is a little mysterious in and of itself actually.

Hope this helps.

Amanda

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From: Shelley Cartwright <glitter4jesus@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Mon, November 29, 2010 2:43:02 PM
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huh, i was always taught that, thanx amanda

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Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it." (Matthew 7:13,14).
, "That is why I am suffering as I am. Yet I am not ashamed, because I know whom I have believed, and am convinced that he is able to guard what I have entrusted to him for that day" (2 Timothy 1:12) and "I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes" (Romans 1:16).

From: Amanda Webster-Sibal <oneoddduck3@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Mon, November 29, 2010 12:41:24 PM
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It never says she committed adultery either. The only thing it says is that she had demons that were removed by Christ. It never names any specific sins of Mary of Magdala.

From: Shelley Cartwright <glitter4jesus@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Mon, November 29, 2010 2:39:53 PM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] Fwd: Could Jesus Have Survived the Crucifixion?

people were stoning her cuz she commited adultery your right theres nothing saying she was a prostitute

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From: Amanda Webster-Sibal <oneoddduck3@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Mon, November 29, 2010 10:30:32 AM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] Fwd: Could Jesus Have Survived the Crucifixion?

I think part of the whole issue with Mary of Magdala (or Mary Magdalene) is that many think she was a prostitute. There is, however, nothing in scripture that states she was a prostitute at all. So - it adds to the problem. But isnt it in the realm of possibity that someone is around from Jesus' family line? He did has brothers and sisters.

Amanda

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On Nov 29, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Wanda Ward <angelina56p47@yahoo.com> wrote:

yea they just have to make him less than a God, worldly people that don't want the bible to be right.

GOD IS LOVE
wanda
Prov.28:13- he that covereth his sin shall not prosper, but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them , shall have mercy.

From: Shelley Cartwright <glitter4jesus@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Sun, November 28, 2010 5:44:19 PM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] Fwd: Could Jesus Have Survived the Crucifixion?

i heard he married mary magdeline, thats not true, jesus never has sex and never married

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Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it." (Matthew 7:13,14).
    , "That is why I am suffering as I am. Yet I am not ashamed, because I know whom I have believed, and am convinced that he is able to guard what I have entrusted to him for that day" (2 Timothy 1:12) and "I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes" (Romans 1:16).



From: Wanda Ward <angelina56p47@yahoo.com>
To: FamilyofGod@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 25, 2010 12:56:01 PM
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they say Jesus was a man and had a family.

GOD IS LOVE
wanda
Prov.28:13- he that covereth his sin shall not prosper, but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them , shall have mercy.

From: Shelley Cartwright <glitter4jesus@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Thu, November 25, 2010 2:02:41 PM
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huh? lol

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Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it." (Matthew 7:13,14).
    , "That is why I am suffering as I am. Yet I am not ashamed, because I know whom I have believed, and am convinced that he is able to guard what I have entrusted to him for that day" (2 Timothy 1:12) and "I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes" (Romans 1:16).



From: Wanda Ward <angelina56p47@yahoo.com>
To: FamilyofGod@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 25, 2010 8:58:05 AM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] Fwd: Could Jesus Have Survived the Crucifixion?

we hear a lot of people saying they are of Jesus lineage, i just smile at them, Jesus said as long as they are not hindering you leave them be. not the same words but easier for some to understand.

GOD IS LOVE
wanda
Prov.28:13- he that covereth his sin shall not prosper, but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them , shall have mercy.

From: George <george_smith92530@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wed, November 24, 2010 10:54:04 AM
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Amen! The cross by itself is no good if Jesus didn't raise from the dead.

Your brother in Christ, George...

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From: Wanda Ward <angelina56p47@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wed, November 24, 2010 8:07:39 AM
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i know most people read about the cross but not the what came before.   we learned in my church to read the scriptures before and after to get a full picture of whats going on.

GOD IS LOVE
wanda
Prov.28:13- he that covereth his sin shall not prosper, but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them , shall have mercy.

From: Stacy Hutchinson <paschkehutchinson@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wed, November 24, 2010 1:23:05 AM
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Yes I know, but, try telling that to the people at God Tube. I have tried on three occassions now and I might as well be talking to a brick wall.<35E.gif>

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Wanda Ward <angelina56p47@yahoo.com> wrote:

actually if you read it closely he hung there for a while before they pierced his side, they wanted him to suffer. I think he died broken-hearted, because after all he taught the disciples they went back to thier old lives instead of goin on with his work like he told them.

GOD IS LOVE
wanda
Prov.28:13- he that covereth his sin shall not prosper, but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them , shall have mercy.

From: Shelley Cartwright <glitter4jesus@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 1:11:49 AM
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no he coukldnt have cuz that was what GOD his fatgher inteneded it to be like and the beatinggs were to abd and thern the crucifixition itself would kill ya hanging there for 6 hours.................

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Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it." (Matthew 7:13,14).




From: Wanda Ward <angelina56p47@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Mon, November 22, 2010 9:11:03 PM
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he could have if he chose to, aren't you glad he did it for us?

GOD IS LOVE
wanda
Prov.28:13- he that covereth his sin shall not prosper, but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them , shall have mercy.

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Sent: Mon, November 22, 2010 10:46:15 PM
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I say no, He died on the cross and the all powerful hand of God brought him back for His glory.

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Could Jesus Have Survived the Crucifixion?

Greg Laurie

The swoon theory is one of Satan's oldest lies concerning the Resurrection. This theory proposes that Jesus did not rise from the dead, because He never really died. Instead, Jesus went into a deep coma or "swoon" from the severe pain and trauma of the Crucifixion. Then, in the cool atmosphere of the tomb, Christ revived, somehow escaped the strips of cloths that were wrapped tightly upon Him, and then appeared to His disciples.

The swoon theory flies in the face of the facts. You see, the Roman guards were experts at execution and would be put to death if they allowed a condemned man, like Christ, to escape death. The guards were certain Jesus was dead, because when they thrust a spear into His side, it brought forth blood and water. This was their final proof of His death because this occurs when the heart stops beating.

Some time ago I read a local advice column that featured a reader's question about the Resurrection. The reader asked, "Dear Uticus, Our preacher said that Jesus swooned on the cross and then His disciples nursed Him to health. What do you think? Signed, Bewildered." Uticus responded, "Dear Bewildered, Beat your preacher with a cat-o'-nine-tails thirty-nine times. Nail him to a cross. Hang him in the sun for six hours. Run a spear through his side, embalm him, and put him in an airless tomb for thirty-six hours and see what happens. Sincerely, Uticus."

Uticus' response points to the ridiculousness of the swoon theory. Amazingly enough, people still subscribe to this theory. Not because it's plausible. Not because it's logical, but because it's something to hang their doubt on. The truth of the matter is that Jesus Christ has risen!

Taken from "A Case for the Resurrection (Part 2)" by Harvest Ministries (used by permission).

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