Trinity came from the Scripture George. There are too many to quote. Since John is controversial I completely avoided referring John's writings. But you see a wealth of references there. I give reference , but the once I quoted are verses which show the Trinity of God. One God, eternal and life giving. Father, Jesus and the Spirit always is shown as eternal and life giving, So the statement that Trinity is not biblical is not true.
OT
Genesis 1:26-
genesis 19:24 Isiah 6 Isiah 40-55 Isiah 45: 23- 24
I have sworn by Myself, The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness And will not turn back, That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance. "They will say of Me, 'Only in the Lord are righteousness and strength.' Men will come to Him, And all who were angry at Him shall be put to shame. Micah 5:2
NT
1 Corinthians 8:4-6 "Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is no God but one. For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him."
Romans 1:7 1Peter 1:2 Philippians 2:9-11 'For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God … No one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God' (1 Cor. 2:10f.). This is saying that the Spirit is 'just God himself in the innermost essence of his being.'
Rev: 22-3 "And there shall no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His bond-servants shall [latreuo] serve Him."
Col 1: 17,
He is before all things an din Him all things hold together.
Col 1: 16
For by him all things were.....
Hebrews 1:3
The Son is the radiation of Gods..........
Titus 2: 13
.... we wait for the reappearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ
Hebrews 1:8
But about the Son he says, your throne O God will last for ever and ever.
Trinity did not start in Nicea. It was revealed at the birth of Christ Jesus, Immanuel, God with us. NT is the fulfillment of the OT prophesies about Jesus. The Bible is the word of God and these verses above are recorded in the Bible. It is our choice to want to believe it or not. One can always oppose one doesn't understand. But sometimes it is worth seeing what is written about Jesus. Otherwise, we lose a lot by not knowing that the Father, the Son and the Spirit together is the One. One God who manifests and works as Jesus and the Spirit. He Is One God , and He is the beginning and the end. All things began with him and we will live forever with him until he thinks otherwise.
Molly.
--- On Sun, 3/7/11, George <george_smith92530@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: George <george_smith92530@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] Conspiracy in the Church
To: "FamilyofGod@yahoogroups.com" <FamilyofGod@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, 3 July, 2011, 12:11 PM
Most of what you are saying Molly is from the traditions of man and not at all taught in the bible or by Jesus and his apostles. It is a made up theology from the minds of men. A tri-God is nowhere taught in scriptures.
From: Molly Chandy <jmchandy@yahoo.com>
To: FamilyofGod@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2011 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] Conspiracy in the Church
Hebrews 7:25. "He is able to save forever those who draw near to God through him, because he always lives to make intercession for them".
Te above verse shows Jesus as an intercessor to the Father.
God took on the form of man and called Himself His own Son since He made himself as a human child by the power of His Spirit through a woman. This was Gods choice.
Jesus is the word of God, the Holy Spirit is the spirit of God and the Father exists uniting these two in him as one God. The Spirit and the Son intercedes for humans and they function individually as well without ever being separate from God's fullness.
Man has a spirit, speech, and a head. So it is not that God is 3 different people. Jesus is His word, the Holy Spirit is His Spirit, and the Father is the Head. Now of course this can be difficult to take but this is the way that God has decided to communicate Himself to man. It is by analogy. He is "like" a father so He calls Himself Father. He is "like" a man so He calls Himself man, and so on. This enables God in His wisdom to communicate to us. I mean He could speak to us in ways and with names we know nothing of. Instead He comes down to our level to serve us as His beloved children. For no greater love has any man than that He lay down His life for His friend. So, in conclusion and reiteration, God is not a 3 headed crazed maniac at war with Himself. But, He is One. His word, Head, and Spirit. For instance man is one though they have a head, spirit, and word they just function doing different roles but all as one.
Therefore God is One, who was visible to us as Jesus , called son of Man, and who works miracles to us , through his Spirit. Meditating on God will enlighten our thoughts of the greatness of God. God is everywhere, in all ages, in all things. Don't be surprised that He took human form and told us to come to Him for salvation.
"That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ." —1st Peter 1:7
So George, the Bible tells us that unto Jesus will be all praise and honor and glory. It is because He is the judge, the savior, the rock, the shepherd, the bread of life, the living water, the hope, the cornerstone, the resurrection and life and finally the name above all names. By him evil is vanquished and eternal life is gained. Only God can be all these and therefore we know that Jesus is the manifestation of God on earth to reconcile us sinners, so that we will never be lost. So George Jesus is not just the man through whom we get salvation. Jesus is the One who gives salvation.
Molly
--- On Sun, 3/7/11, Molly Chandy <jmchandy@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Molly Chandy <jmchandy@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] Conspiracy in the Church
To: FamilyofGod@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 3 July, 2011, 11:11 AM
Hi George,
We cannot get salvation through just a man who gives salvation. It takes God to give us salvation. No intermediaries required George.
Molly
--- On Sun, 3/7/11, George <george_smith92530@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: George <george_smith92530@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] Conspiracy in the Church
To: "FamilyofGod@yahoogroups.com" <FamilyofGod@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, 3 July, 2011, 10:09 AM
I fully agree Jesus was not a "mere" man. He is the man through whom we receive our salvation.
In Christ, George...
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From: Molly Chandy <jmchandy@yahoo.com>
To: FamilyofGod@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2011 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] Conspiracy in the Church
Jesus was not just a mere man George, the Bible undisputedly tells us so. " all the fullness of God dwelt in Him, says Col. 1:19.
There are no conspiracies about God. Only different interpretations.
Titus 2:13 says
New International Version (NIV) 13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,
Jesus Himself said" I am the Beginning and the End", that means He is the One that exists always and He is the One that started it all. Either we can believe the Bible or we can believe that the Bible is full of mistakes. The truth is that the Bible is the word of God. The Trinity evolved as believers saw the Spirit of God and the Image of God (the Son) operating on humans as One God. The coming of Christ was a significant event by which all got a relief from their sins, when they accepted Christ as Savior and God in flesh. On a personal level there is nothing preventing me from believing that Jesus was just a man. But George, I met Christ in the lowest point in my life and He made me whole again. I did not go looking for Him. He found me. So this person Jesus whom Saul persecuted and who appeared to him, still is present in my life and occasionally says,
I Am Jesus, Whom You Persecute (Acts 9:1-9
Yes, sometimes by my words and deeds and by not doing and saying what is not right, I do persecute him. Just because we do not understand the greatness of God, we cannot say God can't be in a human form and live on earth. Jesus is not a conspiracy. God is One. In Him is perfection and peace. Jesus is God in flesh , so that I choose to believe for eternal life. John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." The Son is not a separate entity, He is God Himself revealed to us in the name of the Son, Jesus. So believing in Jesus is in believing the One God who manifests in all of Nature.
Isaiah 9:6: "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
If we want to discredit all the Bible verses, it is our prerogative. But those who have experienced Jesus in their life as God, know that Jesus was not a mere man, he will be the Eternal ruler as well. He will judge us for what we have said and done here on earth. Even if the whole Bible translations were corrupted, I know that Jesus lives and through Him I know the power of God. Now, know that billions of people around the world, who has died and the others who still live believe in Jesus as God, not because it was a Bible story. People believe the name of Jesus holds power over Evil and through Jesus we get reconciliation and redemption from sin. I am a witness for Jesus and I will be until I die, because I have met Him and He is God. Unless we believe that we will never be saved. A mere man cannot give us forgiveness from sins. All we have to do is to ask Jesus to come into our life and then He will reveal to you whether He is God or man. Try it out yo will be surprised. Only He is the Truth.
Molly
--- On Sat, 2/7/11, George <george_smith92530@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: George <george_smith92530@yahoo.com>
Subject: [FamilyofGod] Conspiracy in the Church
To: "Family of God" <familyofgod@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, 2 July, 2011, 9:52 PM
Is it possible that their are conspiracies in the church of today? I think there are many of them.
Jesus, in his ministry, was always confronting many conspiracies with the religious folk of his day. Now that Jesus has left the wolves have really crept in. Proof that there is much conspiring by the devil in the church of today is that there are 30,000 different denominations of the churches.
I believe the worst conspiracy in the church today is centered around who Jesus is. This conspiracy started shortly after the apostles were all dead. People were saying that Jesus wasn't a real man but was God himself. By the year 350 or 400 the church was enforcing this doctrine that Jesus is God.
If you didn't go along with this new belief you were considered a heretic and thrown out of the church. There were actually many the executed in the most horrendous ways for standing up for the truth that was given to them by Jesus and the apostles.
Jesus and the apostles never taught a threefold God. Even today people are shunned in the church if they don't believe in the trinity or that Jesus is God. Search the scriptures and don't listen to tradition and you will plainly see the truth.
In Christ, George...
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