Family of God: Re: [FamilyofGod] Conspiracy in the Church

No one says Jesus came just in spirit George. That is just lame excuse. Jesus come in flesh, that is human history.

The interpretation of these verses is that whichever spirit that says Jesus did not come in flesh is antichrist. The meaning of this verse is just the case in point. Jesus Christ, God came in flesh. If any spirit says no, he didn't, or he isn't God, he is actually antichrist.

That is the full meaning. Otherwise why would an apostle write about a historic person, who lived during the same time, that he came in flesh. He is confirming that God appeared in flesh. Exactly my point, George.

Molly

--- On Mon, 4/7/11, George <george_smith92530@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: George <george_smith92530@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] Conspiracy in the Church
To: "FamilyofGod@yahoogroups.com" <FamilyofGod@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, 4 July, 2011, 2:11 PM

1 John 4:2-3
King James Version (KJV)

²Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
³And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
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Hi Molly. First off let me say that I don't believe that "all" the bible is mistranslated.   But many verses are without a doubt.

This verse you quoted here actually tells the whole story. When it says that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh it simply means that Jesus is human. Many were saying in them days that Jesus was a spirit and not a human just as they do today saying that Jesus is God and not really a man or human. This is the spirit of antichrist that is rampant today. This is another Jesus that is so commonly taught today. This spirit of antichrist was foretold that it would come and it is most definitely here today blinding the eyes of most.

In Christ, George...

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From: Molly Chandy <jmchandy@yahoo.com>
To: FamilyofGod@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2011 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] Conspiracy in the Church

Hi George,

Jesus taught that those who have seen Him has seen the Father and that He is eternal and He will come again. Any one can create words such as Modalist and trinitarians. It is just the world labelling you. Even you and I can coin words that we like and I am sure it will be established in the Language, as a new word.

.Jesus said He is the Way, the Life and the Truth. It means, the way to eternity, the giver of life and the Truth, personified. Now how do you define God, George? If Jesus says He is the giver of life, the ability of the One true God, what do we infer? So saying that the Bible is all mistranslated is just saying that one doesn't believe in the Bible. Jesus is not a man who just came and went.

He opened the door to heaven and is inviting us to come in, freely. He asks us to believe Him. We can always say, "hey brother I think you are just like me, so let us meet when you come in the clouds. I will wait for them trumpets."
But in 2 Peter 1: 16 says
"For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty."
and 1 John 1: 1

"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched--this we proclaim concerning the Word of life."
Either we have to believe the disciples or we have to be still stubborn and say Jesus is just a man who just came so he can go tell God about our salvation. If we are Christians , we believe in the deity of Christ. Otherwise we should just as well call ourselves believers of Allah, Paramatma , Jehovah witness, or Bahai Faith. They all agree with you. Christians follow and believe in Christ.
"For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe." (1 Tim 4:10).

Finally:
1 John 4:2-3
King James Version (KJV)

²Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
³And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

I rest my case George. I agree with John, Timothy, Peter , Thomas and all the 2 billion Christians that Jesus Christ is my Lord and my God. The Bible tells me so.And the holy Spirit confirms it.
On a personal note, what does Stephanie say about this. She is a smart one.
Molly

--.n, 4/7/11, George <george_smith92530@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: George <george_smith92530@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] Conspiracy in the Church
To: "FamilyofGod@yahoogroups.com" <FamilyofGod@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, 4 July, 2011, 9:19 AM

I see. You are not really a triniarian. You are a modalist. They say God played different roles. Or you could be oneness who say that Jesus is the Father. All not taught by Jesus.

In Christ, George...

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From: Molly Chandy <jmchandy@yahoo.com>
To: FamilyofGod@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2011 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] Conspiracy in the Church

We do not and should not believe in Tri-Gods. We believe in One God who dwelt among humanity as Jesus , whose spirit, on its own, does all the works of God.

^{Hebrews 1:3} The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
Man did not create Trinity. Man understood it only after the birth of Christ.
Jesus asked,"

he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14:9

Trinity is truly biblical. God is One and He showed us He cares for us by taking our sins upon the cross . If we believe that and say that, we have everlasting life. The second coming means we will all stand in judgement before the throne and Jesus decides where we go, with Him or down into hell. We make the choices by either living a godly life or an undisciplined life.
Rev 19: 11-14- 11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

   Not many people understand is that , we do not have to really believe in Jesus if we don't want to. But for those who call on His name and those who worship him , He will give His abundant blessings and peace that passes understanding. Jesus helps us to live a supernatural life. And the holy Spirit blesses us with the fruits of the spirit. It is actually a wonderful blessing. Yahweh briefly showed us His holiness when He took human form as the Son. I believe that even if you don't want to believe and accept the Son,(visible human form of God ) , Yahweh is kind to all those who believe in Him.
...For in him [Jesus] dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Colossians 2:9

"If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me; but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father." ( John 10:37-38)

Molly

--- On Mon, 4/7/11, Wanda Ward <angelina56p47@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Wanda Ward <angelina56p47@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] Conspiracy in the Church
To: familyofgod@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 4 July, 2011, 6:48 AM

True

On Sun Jul 3rd, 2011 1:41 AM CDT George wrote:

>Most of what you are saying Molly is from the traditions of man and not at all taught in the bible or by Jesus and his apostles. It is a made up theology from the minds of men. A tri-God is nowhere taught in scriptures.
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>Hebrews 7:25. "He is able to save forever those who draw near to God through him, because he always lives to make intercession for them".
>Te above verse shows Jesus as an intercessor to the Father.
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>God took on the form of man and called Himself His own Son since He made
> himself as a human child by the power of His Spirit through a woman.
>This was Gods choice.
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>Jesus is the word of God, the Holy Spirit is the spirit of God and the Father exists uniting these two in him as one God. The Spirit and the Son intercedes for humans and they function individually as well without ever being separate from God's fullness.
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> Man has a spirit, speech, and a head. So it
> is not that God is 3 different people. Jesus is His word, the Holy
>Spirit is His Spirit, and the Father is the Head. Now of course this can
> be difficult to take but this is the way that God has decided to
>communicate Himself to man. It is by analogy. He is "like" a father so
>He calls Himself Father. He is "like" a man so He calls Himself man, and
> so on. This enables God in His wisdom to communicate to us. I mean He
>could speak to us in ways and with names we know nothing of. Instead He
>comes down to our level to serve us as His beloved children. For no
>greater love has any man than that He lay down His life for His friend.
>So, in conclusion and reiteration, God is not a 3 headed crazed maniac
>at war with Himself. But, He is One. His word, Head, and Spirit. For
>instance man is one though they have a head, spirit, and word they just function doing different roles but all as one.
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>Therefore God is One, who was visible to us as Jesus , called son of Man, and who works miracles to us , through his Spirit. Meditating on God will enlighten our thoughts of the greatness of God. God is everywhere, in all ages, in all things. Don't be surprised that He took human form and told us to come to Him for salvation.
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> the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that
> perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ." —1st Peter 1:7
>So George, the Bible tells us that unto Jesus will be all praise and honor and glory. It is because He is the judge, the savior, the rock, the shepherd, the bread of life, the living water, the hope, the cornerstone, the resurrection and life and finally the name above all names. By him evil is vanquished and eternal life is gained. Only God can be all these and therefore we know that Jesus is the manifestation of God on earth to reconcile us sinners, so that we will never be lost. So George Jesus is not just the man through whom we get salvation. Jesus is the One who gives salvation.
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>>From: Molly Chandy <jmchandy@yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] Conspiracy in the Church
>>To: FamilyofGod@yahoogroups.com
>>Date: Sunday, 3 July, 2011, 11:11 AM
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>>Hi George,
>>We cannot get salvation through just a man who gives salvation. It takes God to give us salvation. No intermediaries required George.
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>>Molly
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>>>From: George <george_smith92530@yahoo.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] Conspiracy in the Church
>>>To: "FamilyofGod@yahoogroups.com" <FamilyofGod@yahoogroups.com>
>>>Date: Sunday, 3 July, 2011, 10:09 AM
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>>>I fully agree Jesus was not a "mere" man. He is the man through whom we receive our salvation.
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>>>In Christ, George...
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>>>From: Molly Chandy <jmchandy@yahoo.com>
>>>To: FamilyofGod@yahoogroups.com
>>>Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2011 7:54 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] Conspiracy in the Church
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>>>Jesus was not just a mere man George, the Bible undisputedly tells us so. " all the fullness of God dwelt in Him, says Col. 1:19.
>>>There are no conspiracies about God. Only different interpretations.
>>>Titus 2:13 says
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>>>13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,
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>>>Jesus Himself said" I am the Beginning and the End", that means He is the One that exists always and He is the One that started it all. Either we can believe the Bible or we can believe that the Bible is full of mistakes. The truth is that the Bible is the word of God. The Trinity evolved as believers saw the Spirit of God and the Image of God (the Son) operating on humans as One God. The coming of Christ was a significant event by which all got a relief from their sins, when they accepted Christ as Savior and God in flesh.
>>>On a personal level there is nothing preventing me from believing that Jesus was just a man. But George, I met Christ in the lowest point in my life and He made me whole again. I did not go looking for Him. He found me. So this person Jesus whom Saul persecuted and who appeared to him, still is present in my life and occasionally says,
>>>I Am Jesus, Whom You Persecute (Acts 9:1-9
>>>Yes, sometimes by my words and deeds and by not doing and saying what is not right, I do persecute him. Just because we do not understand the greatness of God, we cannot say God can't be in a human form and live on earth. Jesus is not a conspiracy. God is One. In Him is perfection and
> peace. Jesus is
> God in flesh , so that I choose to believe for eternal life. John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." The Son is not a separate entity, He is God Himself revealed to us in the name of the Son, Jesus. So believing in Jesus is in believing the One God who manifests in all of Nature.
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>>>Isaiah 9:6: "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government
>will be on his shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor,
>Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
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>>>If we want to discredit all the Bible verses, it is our prerogative. But those who have experienced Jesus in their life as God, know that Jesus was not a mere man, he will be the Eternal ruler as well. He will judge us for what we have said and done here on earth. Even if the whole Bible translations were corrupted, I know that Jesus lives and through Him I know the power of God. Now, know that billions of people around the world, who has died and the others who still live believe in Jesus as God, not because it was a Bible story. People believe the name of Jesus holds power over Evil and through Jesus we get reconciliation and redemption from sin. I am a witness for Jesus and I will be until I die, because I have met Him and He is God. Unless we believe that we will never be saved. A mere man cannot give us forgiveness from sins. All we have to do is to ask Jesus to come into our life and then He will reveal to you whether He is God or man. Try it
> out yo will be surprised. Only He is the Truth.
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>>>Molly
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>>>--- On Sat, 2/7/11, George <george_smith92530@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>From: George <george_smith92530@yahoo.com>
>>>>Subject: [FamilyofGod] Conspiracy in the Church
>>>>To: "Family of God" <familyofgod@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>Date: Saturday, 2 July, 2011, 9:52 PM
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>>>>Is it possible that their are conspiracies in the church of today? I think there are many of them.
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>>>> Jesus, in his ministry, was always confronting many conspiracies with the religious folk of his day. Now that Jesus has left the wolves have really crept in. Proof that there is much conspiring by the devil in the church of today is that there are 30,000 different denominations of the churches.
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>>>> I believe the worst conspiracy in the church today is centered around who Jesus is. This conspiracy started shortly after the apostles were all dead. People were saying that Jesus wasn't a real man but was God himself. By the year 350 or 400 the church was enforcing this doctrine that Jesus is God.
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>>>>If you didn't go along with this new belief you were considered a heretic and thrown out of the church. There were actually many the executed in the most horrendous ways for standing up for the truth that was given to them by Jesus and the apostles.
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>>>>Jesus and the apostles never taught a threefold God. Even today people are shunned in the church if they don't believe in the trinity or that Jesus is God. Search the scriptures and don't listen to tradition and you will plainly see the truth.
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