[Church_of_Christ] Re: Creeds
Clay,
> You believe Christ and God are the same. On the same level.
> You DID NOT learn that from the inspired, you learned it from the unispired.
I believe Christ is God in the flesh because the inspired word teaches it, pastors have taught it, Sunday School has taught it, discipleship teaches it, the bible teaches it, Jesus said it, The Father said it, the Holy Spirit said it, my own research says it, etc.
> You believe that because you accept the creed of the Trinity which
> is NEVER taught by Paul or any other inspired and you are wrong.
I accept the biblical doctrine of one God in three persons, yes. All NT writers taught it and uninspired teachers do so as well.
> We need to unite in love and GO BACK TO SOLA SCRIPTURE and be patient
> with one another hoping God will lead us to a FULL UNDERSTANDING.
Unity is meaningless without doctrine. Love is meaningless without doctrine. To unite in love without doctrinal agreement is to cook without food.
> That means for EVER, unless you decale yourself as having fully matured in Christ?
I'm not fully matured in Christ, but a few doctrines are non-negotiables.
> You will FIRST hear of ( 3 equals in one) when uninspired Men begin to follow other uninspired men and their doctrines.
You first hear the WORD during the Nicean days...you first hear the doctrine in the NT.
> Now Ray I want you to listen to me.
Ears and eyes wide open.
> I hold no ill will towards you and I don't see anywhere under the New
> Covenant that I should be divisive with you.
I see lots of places where you could be divisive with me, but I'm reading on.
> We are to UNITE in the Spirt through a bond of peace.
yes, we are. if we are both believers. I am not united in spirit with the lost.
> We are commanded to love one another as Christ loved "US"
Yes, one another meaning other believers.
> That's our source of UNITY, not man made imbellished doctrines and creeds that teach us to be divisive over "opinions.
NO, our source of unity is not a blind love for others because "Jesus said so". Even those words had a context, united in Who HE IS. The kind of unity you want is a hollow gong that means nothing and has no biblical basis. It is the post modern unity that I spew from my mouth in disgust. I want unity based on Christ's requirements, not yours.
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> It is NOT a sin, nor would Paul turn me over to Satan because I consider you as the weaker brother and accept you in love.
It is a denial of essential doctrine to reject the trinity.
> BUT Ray you CANNOT be divisive and bind your weak principles on others.
I can and WILL BE divisive over essentials, to my dying breath. Jesus commands us to be divisive over HIM.
> I am FREE from man made doctrines (3 equals in one) and I will not be placed back under YOU yoke of slavery to your weakness.
In the sense you are describing, all doctrines are man made, even your own that you come up with from reading the bible by yourself. All doctrine is man made in that sense. You can not escape it.
You need not be placed back under my yoke of slavery, you have your own yoke of slavery....independ
> My responsiblity is to love you and accept you and NOT put stumbling blocks that could cause you to stumble.
That kind of love and acceptance is meaningless.
> That's what denomaintions do.
yes, bless God, they do....I am so grateful.
> UNITY, UNITY, UNITY is the message Ray, UNITY and not sects and divsion behind divisive creeds and signs out front.
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>Unity without sound doctrine is a new age empty gong with no power, no love, no freedom, no truth, and real unity.
I can't even imagine unity of the type you describe. It sounds like an atheist could attend your church and be fine.
Ray
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