Family of God: [Church_of_Christ] Re: Holy Spirit ministry

Ed,

It appears we are at an impasse. I have not yet posted the final two sections of your original post, but I suspect there is no point in doing so now. However, I did want to reply to some comments here.

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> Ray: The definitions are fine, but your statement 'revelation reveals
> information' is still your assumption. I could assert that three of
> these verse you posted deal with understanding, but we'd be back where
> we started.
>
> ED: I provided Vine's definitions with verses he uses to demonstrate the
> meaning. I can't do more than that.

Dictionaries are limited. And the writers of them are biased by their own theological positions. Besides that, Vine's does not contradict my position. As I said before, you are bringing your view of 'revelation' into the discussion. You have made no effort of any kind to defend it. In fact, you appear to believe it is unnecessary to defend it.

Unless you can prove that revelation always means KNOWLEDGE, you have no case.

> ED: You said it all in this comment. "Posting verses won't solve it!" If
> a person ignores the meaning of words and refuses to accept examples of
> verses that demonstrate its meaning and insists on inventing a meaning
> which the word never included, than you are right - "posting verses
> won't solve it." I have provided and could multiply linguistic
> authorities and example from the biblical text, but if these mean
> nothing to you, it is a waste of time; mine and yours.

As long as you refuse to deal with the nature of revelation itself, nothing will matter.

>If someone suggests "stepping completely
> outside the Bible altogether" is necessary, then I am not willing to
> follow!

Ouch, Ed. This is the most revealing statement yet. It is also why the restoration movement hermeneutics are vastly different from mainline Christianity. As long as you assume revelation means presenting intellectual information, you will never be able to see your error regarding spiritual gifts.

So we are indeed at an impasse.

Ray

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