Family of God: Re: [FamilyofGod] Re: Simple Thoughts On Promises- 124

We didn't leave them they left us with 150,000 debt.

wanda
GOD IS LOVE

From: victorsteven1 <victorsteven1@yahoo.com>
To: FamilyofGod@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:51:35 AM
Subject: [FamilyofGod] Re: Simple Thoughts On Promises- 124

I might not end up being popular but the other side of the issue is this no a pastor is not a dictator but he is an authority called of God to be an overseer in the church. Many have a real problem with anyone being "over them" in anything. This is a maturity problem. We are told to be subject to each other.

1Pe 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all [of you] be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

When people just do "whatever" anarchy reigns.

It is easy to allow our flesh to be convinced we are "right" in a matter , to become offended and leave a fellowship instead of dealing with the possibility that maybe someone else is right and we are wrong.
This is just a possibilty to consider so that you don't make a pattern out of this type of thing as satan will always find a way to offend you if you let him.

I has a vision once of the demise of a church that I attended. I went to the pastor and told him all of it in a humble way, warning him with tears that forces were ready to take the church out. The warning was not heeded and I watched tearfully as each and every one of the parts of the vision took place before my tearful eyes. DI I leave of "bail" no I stayed. I was not the overseer you see.... he was. He alone is accountable to God for that not me. I would have been accountable for not warning him, now it's on him. This is why we are told to not take upon ourselves things we are not called to do

Jam 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

SO I pray that you have gotten you desire to move from the Lord and not an emotional reaction to a perceived wrong. If so God is with you and may you proper as you follow him.

--- In FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com, Wanda Ward <angelina56p47@ ...> wrote:
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> I know there are quite a few people that think as long as they are there they will be saved. Remember the one talent that was buried, the Lord took it and gave it to the one with ten. If you don't use the talent you have you miss your reward. Pray for us we are looking for a new church to work with. I am trying to be patient but, I'm still working on my patience. We had a really bad situation with the last group we worked with and we are trying to wait to find a new group.
> wanda
> GOD IS LOVE
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> From: Mary <motherfourchildren @...>
> To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 5:25:46 PM
> Subject: [FamilyofGod] Re: Simple Thoughts On Promises- 124
>
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> Wanda,
>
> Aren't we suppose to be ready in season and out of season. All things to
> all men?
>
> I am sorry, I have never been to a service where they say, "Not now." Or
> the pastor stating that we will talk about it later. Maybe, pray and
> then, we will talk about it later..
>
> You are correct, the true church will have everyone working together
> using their different gifts that God gave them. It has come to my
> attention that there are quite a few members of the churches who just
> fill a pew too. They contribute nothing.
>
> God bless,
> MaryC
> --- In FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com, Wanda Ward <angelina56p47@ ...>
> wrote:
> >
> > A lot of ministers think they are supposed to control what is going
> on, the true church is going to have people who work in all phases of
> the ministry.. If a minister tells me they will talk about a prayer
> request instead of praying I have to wonder why he doesn't want to pray.
> I was at a revival the other day ,I wasn't feeling well, and I ask
> about prayer requests, they said tommorrow we'll do that. When I went
> to my dr the next day she said bed rest etc. because I had a bronchial
> infection. If somebody needs prayer we need to be ready to pray now not
> when we get around to it.
> > wanda
> > GOD IS LOVE
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: victorsteven1 victorsteven1@ ...
> > To: FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:44:28 PM
> > Subject: [FamilyofGod] Re: Simple Thoughts On Promises- 124
> >
> >
> > I would also caution you about following "maybe hunches"
> > One needs to make their calling and election sure according to the
> scriptures. "Prove all things, bear all things, hold fast to that which
> is good."
> > Many people feel like the Body of Christ is supposed to be a bunch of
> "free agents" running around "doing their own thing"
> > The church ( body of Christ) is set up so all is done decently and in
> order.
> > To teach people that there is no accountability in ministry is a lie.
> > Ministries are to be proven out..
> > God has placed many gifts into the Body.
> > To disrespect any part of the Body is wrong.
> > To act independently from direction of the head(Christ) causes
> division in the body.
> >
> > SO any action requires I can truly hear and understand the Lords voice
> >
> > John 10:27
> > My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
> >
> > --- In FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com, "victorsteven1" <victorsteven1@
> ...> wrote:
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> > > Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there
> rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
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> > > Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way;
> first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
> > >
> > >
> > > How should this have been handled?
> > > Who is "wrong" who is "right"?
> > > Is that what is important here?
> > > What is important,
> > > our agenda,
> > > another mans agenda,
> > > or God's agenda?
> > > We all like to think our agenda and God's are the same. The problem
> is culture and peoples pasts mix into what we view as what God wants
> done.
> > > For this pastor maybe it was a view that women are not to minister
> > >
> > > for yourself maybe there is the issue of wanting acceptance and
> respect as a minister of God.
> > > Welcome to what is referred to as the "burden of the Lord"
> > > You want to do what God has instructed you to do and it weighs on
> you ....
> > > Is this the Lord?
> > > What is this sensation in my hands? While a mature person would know
> by experience someone who isn't is unsure and hesitant.
> > > Who wants to mess up, surely not someone who loves the Lord.Surely
> not a person who feels accountable to the Lord for having not done the
> mission they felt God had called them to.
> > > Let me encourage you Sister. you are not alone. If we peel back the
> surface of all the "glamor" of ministry" you will find many people share
> your dilemma.
> > > How do we get past this stagnation and uncertainty? First of all
> take it out of the closet. Satan loves things done in secret. People
> have their misunderstandings. None of us are perfect not you, not me,
> nor this pastor. While one would think they could expect more maturity
> and discretion from a pastor they are people nonetheless, and just as
> human as the rest of us.
> > > There is only one sinless and perfect one that ever walked the earth
> and that was Jesus.To keep a festering wound never help to heal it.Lack
> of forgiveness blocks the flow of God and would put up a roadblock for
> the real manifest presence of God in your life .Holding onto a felling
> of perceived wrongs is like clinging to a huge rock while you are trying
> to swim.
> > >
> > > SO why did I share those scriptures with you at the beginning of my
> reply? Because in keeping this all internal you give place to the devil.
> If you had a problem with this pastor you needed to go to him in a
> spirit of meekness and talk about this. Sometimes the way we "take"
> (perceive) things from others in life is just a reflection of ourselves.
> > > God is the great equalizer in life we are not to take matters in our
> own hands and get our way unless God has specifically told us to.
> > >
> > > While we are truly endeavoring to learn a new ministry trust me some
> of what you will experience may seem painful It would be nice if it was
> all laying hands on people and they all get healed.It would also be nice
> if you had a real word for someone that they all received it and we all
> live happily ever after, but it doesn't always go that way.
> > > While I am at work in the field of the Lord I can expect offence
> will come Jesus told us it would. SO if I am truly a disciple I rejoice
> because I am accounted worthy to suffer reproach while I truly am
> working for HIM. It isn't about me and my feelings , it is about him.We
> must refuse to be an unwitting tool in the devils plans and disarm the
> offense by confronting it head on in a meek and submissive way.
> > > If I am under and mans ministry I submit to him in the Lord and give
> him honor. I don't talk about him behind his back.Like the scripture say
> go to him and settle the matter. Be Spirit lead and God will bless you
> for being a doer of the word..
> > >
> > > If I am always considering "my feelings" I make myself vulnerable to
> the devil. Really "I am dead and my life is hidden with Christ in God" I
> am crucified with Christ and live by faith.... dead people don't have
> hurts and resentments. ........ I am not a resident here in this world
> just passing through I don't expect pastors to be perfect... I am not
> either
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com, "Dr. Johnson Cherian"
> <johnsonsharona@ > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your testimony. Yeah, sometimes pastors are jealous if
> people under them have greater gifts like that of prophecy or healing
> and that can lead to a clash.
> > > > Be obedient to the promptings of the Holy Spirit. That will bring
> you peace.
> > > > Dr. Johnson
> > > >
> > > > --- In FamilyofGod@ yahoogroups. com, Isabella's Rose Garden
> <matthews1@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > hi Wanda
> > > > > I find pastors often dismiss women, and some are very rude. One
> time I
> > > > > was on the way to church and we had to pass a woman's house who
> we had
> > > > > recently heard had been diagnosed with terminal cancer. On the
> way my
> > > > > hands felt like they were on fire. This had never happened to me
> > > > > before. I thought maybe I was supposed to stop and pray for the
> woman
> > > > > but barely knew her and was afraid I was just fooling myself
> about my
> > > > > hands being hot meaning God wanted me to use them as His
> instrument to
> > > > > heal others. So I didn't stop.
> > > > > Then after church I said to my pastor that I thought maybe God
> wanted to
> > > > > use me as an instrument of healing through the laying on of
> hands. He
> > > > > looked at me with this scornful look on his face and said
> something like
> > > > > "well we will see"
> > > > > Im basically a very insecure and shy person and it doesn't take
> much to
> > > > > discourage me, so I just sort of slunk out of the church and
> decided not
> > > > > to think about the healing anymore. I convinced myself it was
> just me
> > > > > wanting to have the gift, not God speaking to me.
> > > > > I think my gift has been hindered by that experience because
> since that
> > > > > time the only ones who seem affected significantly by my laying
> on of
> > > > > hands for healing is my husband and my dad. Maybe that's what
> God
> > > > > intended tho, so that's just fine with me.
> > > > > I just don't want to be burying my 'talent' as the Bible warns
> against.
> > > > > But I don't want to assume something that is just of my own
> yearning
> > > > > either.
> > > > > I wish I knew how to know for sure when to attempt to use the
> gift
> > > > > because so many people need God's healing.
> > > > > One time a friend was having panic attacks. I never told her
> anything
> > > > > about my experiences with healing. I just hugged her and patted
> her on
> > > > > the back and prayed in tongues silently for a brief time. From
> that
> > > > > time on she seemed so much calmer and hasn't spoken of more
> panic attacks..
> > > > > Maybe we can bring God's healing through hugs and silent prayer
> too??
> > > > > The only thing wrong with it that I can see is how do I give the
> glory
> > > > > to God if the person doesn't know what really happened?
> > > > > Maybe God only cares if I give Him Glory in my heart. and not so
> much
> > > > > that I make it public.
> > > > > What do you all think?
> > > > > Marilyn
> > > > >
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