Sunday, October 18, 2009

Recent comments posted to http://ExChristian.Net

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Re: The Indelible Stamp of our Lowly Origin- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 07:43 PM PDT

Good point, but I thought that it goes even further than that, because we ARE apes.

I must admit that I'm not completely sure about this, however. Can anyone clear this up?

Re: Former Fundamentalist with Ph.D. from BJU is now an Agnostic- Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 06:28 PM PDT

Welcome, Ken.

Enjoyed reading your article.

Let us know when the book you are working on is ready for publication.

I shall be happy to recommend it to the National Library in my country as an item for their shelves.

Re: A love like no other- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 06:18 PM PDT

Just read. Excellently put, Mriana.

Keep up the good work!

Re: The Judge- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 05:56 PM PDT

Good heavens! I do know that some people kill their own children by not getting them medical attention, thinking prayer will save them. I never knew that some punished their children for getting sick.

These people need to have their children removed from them!

My grandbaby (my daughter and son are adopting) was removed from her biological parents due to their drug abuse and criminal activity. Two other children had been removed previously, so this one was taken right after delivery.

Withholding medical attention or punishing sick children for their sins should certainly qualify as child endangerment.

Re: The Judge- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 05:43 PM PDT

Lisa,
I've known some adults that were raised in very strict fundie type xtian homes.

In some cases when they (as a child) got ill, even with a simple cold, the parent would assume that god was punishing them by making them ill, for some sin they had committed.

Well, the parent then reasoned, that if god was hell bent on punishing the child, then it was their duty to help god out, by adding to that punishment; usually by physical abusive means.

The fundie mind is as warped as they come.

ATF

Re: Sell the Vatican -- Feed the World!- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 05:34 PM PDT

lol They probably did if it went out.

Re: The Indelible Stamp of our Lowly Origin- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 04:06 PM PDT

This is a wonderful video. I doubt that you could get a true believer to even sit through it, though.

Re: The Judge- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 03:51 PM PDT

OK, when my Mom was a girl scout leader, my sister and I were in her troop. We had a couple of brats in the troop, and when they would misbehave, my mother would punish my sister and me. When we asked why, she said that she would not punish other people's kids and we would serve as an example for the rest of the troop.

The upshot was, of course, that the brats thought it was funny and misbehaved every chance they got so they could see us punished.

The analogy is not perfect. My sister and I quit scouts rather than suffer for the sins of others.

But, I have known adults who seem to think that they can do anything at all that they want to because they are good christians and go to church on Sundays where their sins are washed away--each and every week. I know others who genuinely feel the need to live up to the sacrifice that jesus made for them--personally. Both kinds of christians seem like they have an unhealthy relationship with reality to me.

Re: A question to Christians- Letters to the Webmaster

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 03:10 PM PDT

Jack:God Yahweh in the Old Testament is wrathful because He is a holy God who punishes sin, he cannot tolerate sin

Jack,
I've always found it most interesting, that this all-knowing, all-powerful god, has this huge weakness, in that he/she/it can't endure being in the presence of this so called "sin".

I guess 'sin' to god, is like Kryptonite to Superman (or maybe water to the Wicked Witch)?
i.e. If god is exposed to sin for too long, he'll wither up and melt?

This makes sense to me, because as we've learned from all the Hollywood movies made over the decades, any super powerful creature always has this Achilles-Heel that it can be felled by.

I say we all find your imaginary god's home and do all the sinning in his presence that our collective minds can come up with.

Oh by the way, your god also has a problem with defeating Iron Chariots to, for some odd reason.

ATF (Who thinks we should all get aboard a large Iron Chariot Bus, and drive up to the Lord's house, while sinning our best sins)

Re: The Judge- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 02:48 PM PDT

Yeah. The intellectual prowess and creative problem solving skills of this judge are stellar.

Re: The Judge- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 02:30 PM PDT

Here's what happens when you add predestination:
"All people in this court are guilty and deserve the ultimate penalty, but I chose a small percentage of you beforehand which I decided not punish, regardless of the crime."
He then says to the guards, "torture and kill my son, and show no mercy". Then he says, "all those whom I chose now have their penalty paid in full, the rest must face the same fate as my son. Court dismissed. Oh, and make sure you make arrangements at the best banquet hall in town for those released. We're having a party!

Re: A question to Christians- Letters to the Webmaster

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 01:40 PM PDT

Jack (candlestick-jumper or beanstalk-climber?): "Well, I guess most people here don't believe sin exist in the first place. So if Hitler killed 6 million people and we took his life as a punishment, those people who were murdered get Justice?? No!!"

Killing someone in retribution has nothing to do with justice, Jack. That's just emotion-driven tribal blood-lust.

True justice for the Holocaust, and for all other indignities large and small, can be found in learning from the experience; recognizing its causes and its warning signs; and acting with speed and determination to stop any such future events.

"True Christianity deals with sin and brings people back to God and requires people live for Christ as His slaves."

That is indescribably sickening, Jack. No sentient being in the universe deserves such a fate.

(Takes Her Clue-By-Four™ and smashes the chains of Jack's faith) I'm pulling rank on your invisible friend. Get up off your knees, or get off this site and don't ever come back.

Re: The Indelible Stamp of our Lowly Origin- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 01:06 PM PDT

We didn't come from apes. No Evolutionary Biologist claims we did. Apes and humans both came from a single remote line and both split off from it.

Re: A question to Christians- Letters to the Webmaster

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 12:40 PM PDT

To quote a recent post:

"I have no consideration
Zero mutual respect
For billions who suffer from rational thought neglect
I don't wanna waste a sentence
I don't want a conversation
That's gonna end in disdain, disbelief, and aggravation...

And it's getting agonizing to hang out
With grown adults who actually believe
Mythology and history trump physics and science
My aversion has turned to aberrance."

BP

Re: The Indelible Stamp of our Lowly Origin- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 12:29 PM PDT

I was so moved by this video. Its simply breathtaking. I like that it build an emotional case/ connection but then finishes with a brilliant scientific proof. From all our knowledge of DNA we have gained the past few years I am completely astounded that people can still disbelieve in evolution.

And it never ceases to irritate me that people say we evolved from monkeys and 'why didn't monkeys evolve?' It shows such a lack of understanding. We are not an end result, we are another step in a process that will (hopefully) continue for thousands of years to come. It is somewhat terrifying that we now have the ability to destroy the natural progress that has been made over millions of years.

Why can't they see how absolutely beautiful it is? That in every literal way we are all connected. So much more powerful and amazing because it is actually true!

Re: Sell the Vatican -- Feed the World!- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 12:10 PM PDT

Mriana,
I didn't see any candles. The superstitious have apparently all fled.

Re: A question to Christians- Letters to the Webmaster

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 11:52 AM PDT

Once again, the fundies demonstrate that they apparently believe one of the biggest sins on God's big ol' hate list is using paragraphs (set off with a space between each one). So, I didn't read much of this dense wall of dense text, but one line did jump out at me. (Mugged me, actually.)

"True Christianity deals with sin and brings people back to God and requires people live for Christ as His slaves."

EWWWWWW! I know the bible condones slavery and was used to justify it for centuries, but the idea that an all-powerful deity would want or need human slaves just sickens me.

Oh well, thanks, at least, for reminding us once again of why we are so glad to be away from your S&M cult. Free at last!

Re: The Indelible Stamp of our Lowly Origin- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 11:43 AM PDT

The Discovery Channel just ran a very interesting documentary on what they think is the oldest human ancestor walking on two feet over 4.4 Million years ago. They call her Ardi Check it out http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/ardipithecus/

Re: The Judge- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 08:46 AM PDT

read this at 2am, didn't make no sense until i read it again. it's sad that i used to think that way. i mean, how could anyone be so daft as to think that even if you never heard of "the ministry of jesus christ"™ you will get full punishment to this "hell" that is mentioned in the bible.

Re: A question to Christians- Letters to the Webmaster

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 08:08 AM PDT

"How do Christians reconcile it? "
The answer is:"there is nothing to reconcile."
God Yahweh in the Old Testament is wrathful because He is a holy God who punishes sin, he cannot tolerate sin.
"Jesus describes God as all loving and merciful."
I don't think so. Jesus, too, talked about the coming judgment of God, "weeping and Gnashing of teeth" in the New Testament. The God in the New Testament is ""as wrathful as" the OT, because He is the same God who will not let the guilty unpunished. That's point of Salvation on the Cross. If God is someone who pats on a murderer (or liar, fornicator, etc.)' shoulder and say "that's OK, don't be afraid, I am a loving God, you can do whatever you want, I don't have an ultimate standard to hold accountable to anyone.", then Jesus Christ died in vain, Christianity does not hold.
Well, I guess most people here don't believe sin exist in the first place. So if Hitler killed 6 million people and we took his life as a punishment, those people who were murdered get Justice?? No!! The world is a desperate-unjust place without a holy God who holds man accountable.
Sin is not only what you don't do (in negative sense), I agree that non-Christians (Probably people Like Mriana) can be moral without believing any god. -----"The hollow spot that people try to fill with Drugs/alcohol, sex, hate, religion, etc... It will only be filled with the redemption of Christ."----- That's nonsense and not biblical. You can filled that "hole" with many things like baseball, reading, football statistics, websites like this, etc… Sin is also what you missed to do that designed by God—the word sin means "missing the target" originally.
Let's hear the Word of God for a moment:
Ephesians 4:28 "He who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with his own hands, that he may have something to share with those in need." (NIV)
A thief should not only turn away from his sin (what he should not do), but live for a new purpose for God—(such as serving others using his own hands). If Christians only don't do what normal people think man should not do, what the difference they make? Virtually nothing. In this sense, Morality will suffice. (By the way, Morality is partial image of God on fallen man, something God built into human heart. [Though shall not kill…]---Romans 1:19 -- because God has made it plain to them. )
True Christianity deals with sin and brings people back to God and requires people live for Christ as His slaves. Moral people will do less "bad things", but they have no clue about God's purpose for them. One of many definitions of God's purpose is: whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable…(Philippians 4:8 )
Why bother live for a God who has nothing to do with me and put boundaries in my life?
The answer is He has everything to do with you, He is your Creator, He is the Sustainer of your life, He loves you, He offers you Salvation through Christ, He is Holy, He is real, He hates sin (big and small), He is companionate……

Re: Becoming an Ex-Christian - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 07:48 AM PDT

Excellent commentary. Of course, nobody likes to have their faith belittled, but if you can't poke some fun, what the hell good is a sense of humor?

FREDDY

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