Thursday, October 29, 2009

Recent comments posted to http://ExChristian.Net

Recent comments posted to http://ExChristian.Net

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Re: The Eternal Life Oxymoron- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 08:05 PM PDT

Now Dan, I can assure you, in comparison to what I have been going through for almost a week else where (and I'm a mod there) Georgiana is nothing in comparison. This dude nearly had me cussing and name calling. So, you know it's been bad. In comparison, Georgiana is nothing. She has not said, "Your going to hell" (sic) yet nor has she said it several times to many people nor has she preached such abusive theology. After such a week, I'm willing to cut her some slack.

Re: The Eternal Life Oxymoron- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 08:03 PM PDT

I assumed by your argument that you are an atheist. Correct me if I'm wrong. Haha, glad I could be of serviice in quite literally proving all your points, though you don't point out which ones (although, apparently I prove them without speaking to them...I wonder how that works?).

Look, if your 31 year-old child could provide plausible evidence to support the existence of Santa Clause or the Tooth Fairy, I might at least accept that they are reasonably intelligent, even if I don't buy into their belief. Because, again, I can't prove these creatures don't exist...in fact, Santa Clause, for example, is based, at least in concept, on reality. There was a St. Nicholas, even if there is not a fat man in red who drives a sleigh around the world on Christmas Eve to deliver presents. So I could make the argument that the concept of Santa Clause, if not the details, is based in "truth." As you are undoubtedly aware, this argument is often put forward in defense of the existence of God--that because our minds conceive of such a being, one must exist. But then, one must define this being if He/She/It does exist...the concept of God varies widely, obviously and admittedly...thus, the vast array of religions.
Look, I am not a scientist, I am a humanities and liberal arts person. There are obviously limitations to scientific understanding. I think the humanities and liberal arts underscore this point. They highlight the mysteries of the universe and that there is really so much that we simply do not and cannot know. For example, I have found through my work in history that a body evidence can be used to support a multitude of conclusions. Indeed, ever since the linguistic turn, historians--at least progressive historians--have pretty much given up trying to reconstruct and now merely engage in theories regarding the past. Historian A might see the evidence as supporting one theory, historian B might see the same evidence as pointing to another. Ultimately, neither can prove their theories or disprove the others' theories, though they might submit plausible arguments in defense or dispute. So who is the idiot, historian A or historian B? Until we can prove the one of the two theories is wrong, I don't think that can pass judgment on either, even if one's theory personally appeals to us more than that of the other.

Like historian A and B, I cannot prove that my system of belief is correct, but I think that one can draw upon evidence in support of Christianity, just as one can draw upon evidence to dispute the existence of God, although nothing can be proven either way. Am I an idiot for buying into one of the many ways that we, as generally ignorant humans, try to explain our universe? Isn't that the point of your atheism--or whatever view you espouse?

Haha, nice reference to Stephanie Meyer, btw...you have adequately shown yourself to be an intellectual who runs in literary circles.

Re: The Eternal Life Oxymoron- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 07:56 PM PDT

yes, the physical body obviously turns into dust (nice use of the scriptures!).

Thanks, but it's not like I haven't studied religion and mythology for years. That and my relatives are extremely religious, like many other people's relatives are here, so I have to know the scriptures and I would like to think I am fairly knowledgeable about a few other religions and their texts.

Why does it bother so many of you that I might be misguided? Because it really seems to bother a lot of people on this site.

Eh, people have to have their fantasies, I guess. I myself am a Trekker/Trekkie. However, as long as one doesn't impose or enforce Xianity or any other religion on me, I could careless in what you believe. I also could careless what you believe if you are not hurting anyone, but the moment I feel you are harming someone, I have my own diatribes.

Keep in mind people have their buttons and sore places too. You just haven't found mine. The thing is, everyone on this site has been hurt in different ways by religious people, which may or may not be why they don't believe. We all have different reasons for our disbelief. Yes, I was and still am treated very badly by the religious in my family, not because I don't believe what they do though. They don't know, to be honest. However, my lack of a belief and god concept mostly has to do with the fact I studied religion and mythology, but I also highly disagree with the theology that most churches teach.

Actually, I think your initial response towards Rama was quite reasonable, though posters on this site generally seem rather harsher towards Christian posters.

Thank you, but I didn't feel she was being imposing and personally I don't feel any potential harm from you... yet that is and I hope it stays that way.

Now to address something else:

they all espouse different notions of the soul and concepts of God (or lack thereof).

Here's the thing, God is a human concept, just as the idea of a soul is a human concept. Non-theists, esp atheists, lack a god concept. I do at least. I have no god concept. However, this does not mean I don't have feelings of transcendence, but I cannot describe it in human words, because there is no human words to describe such a feeling accurately.

There is a Tao saying that says, "Those who say don't know and those who know don't say." They sound like good words of wisdom and it is a shame more Xians don't know of the saying and somehow take it to heart. Some Gnostics do, as well as other religionist, but most Xians come here to impose their beliefs and concepts on us. Push the right combinations of buttons, which I don't think you will, and you will have everyone on the site jumping you. Such imposing Xians I am quite sick of and it would be nice to see some more intellectual Xains drop in and ask honest questions.

Re: My path to spiritualism vs. religion- Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 07:48 PM PDT

Belladonna,

Thank you for posting. It hurt me to read your story. Please do not fear being hurt on this site (by members, that is. And if trolls attack, you can be sure we will have your back.)

I hope we will hear more from you, and more about your triumphs as you move forward.

Re: A letter from Hell- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 07:36 PM PDT

Hi aureliom,

Come over to The Eternal Life Oxymoron and give GeorgianaCavendish some of your personal attention. We weary of her.

Thanks.

Re: The Eternal Life Oxymoron- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 07:31 PM PDT

Also, please get started. It is way past my bedtime already.

Thanks.

Re: The Eternal Life Oxymoron- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 07:30 PM PDT

Yes you may!

Re: A letter from Hell- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 07:27 PM PDT

Where are these two: John21 and Neocom? Are they on another stream?

Re: The Eternal Life Oxymoron- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 07:26 PM PDT

I am trying sooooo hard to keep it nice and polite, but........

this woman is very dense and closed (or should I say) has a one-track mind!!!!

When may I start cussing and throwing zingers?

Mother May I.....?

XPD

Re: The Eternal Life Oxymoron- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 07:19 PM PDT

And, I do repeat, read a basic science book.

Re: The Eternal Life Oxymoron- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 07:18 PM PDT

My future, just like my present, is based on reality. Some of it is marvelous and some--not so much.

Re: The Eternal Life Oxymoron- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 07:14 PM PDT

Considering your entire worldview and now your future (or lack thereof) is based on a negative, I would think that you would want more assurance than merely "it can't be proved." Again, we come down to the fact that you, like I, cannot prove, even if you can reassure yourself of your own logic by saying, "you can't prove a negative."

Look, I'm not here to prove that you are wrong. But I fail to see how I'm the idiot for believing in something I can't prove when you ultimately also believe in something (or the lack of something) that you cannot prove.

Re: The Eternal Life Oxymoron- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 07:11 PM PDT

Let me get this straight. You read the disclaimer (that this site is for EX-christians to support one another and not for christians to come on here and argue for christianity) and decided to come into this site anyway?

And the first thing you posted shows disdain (your word) for the very people this site was created by and for?

Niiiiice.

Re: The Eternal Life Oxymoron- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 07:10 PM PDT

Georgiana -

I did not insult you. I did not say that I was an atheist. I did ask you some very simple questions, which you have completely ignored.

Please answer my questions.

Did you read my first post to you? It seems that you were anwering someone else. You didn't speak to any of my points!

If you are as intelligent as you contend, then I assume you can understand the written English language. Please re-read my first post and speak to it. If you can't or won't do this, then I would humbly ask you to leave, you are proving yourself to be quite tedious and frustrating (and you are quite literally proving all of my points).

Respectfully,

XPD

Re: The Eternal Life Oxymoron- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 07:08 PM PDT

Maybe I was wrong about that John person and it wasn't a pseudo. Humm... *Mriana sits back and continues to watch*

Re: The Eternal Life Oxymoron- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 07:01 PM PDT

Alright, once more: I post only because, as a Christian I am frankly rather insulted that so many posters on this site are so disdainful of unseen, unknown "Christians" out there--myself included. Is it not possible to share, support, and vent without railing against other people? You don't like it when Christians turn their noses up at you, perhaps you might start by extending them the same courtesy? Besides, does it in any way behoove you to harbor such bitterness towards others?

Well, I fully expect more insults for expressing a rather benign view.

Re: The Eternal Life Oxymoron- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 06:56 PM PDT

You? insulting? Never.

But just to be sure, I went back and read your posts.

Nope. Not insulting.

Re: The Eternal Life Oxymoron- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 06:53 PM PDT

He's being nice, Georgiana. He really is and I can honestly vouch for him.

Re: The Eternal Life Oxymoron- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 06:53 PM PDT

Lisa, I've read her posts too and as far as I know, I don't believe I've been insulting, but even I am not sure why she dropped in either. I think Dan even offered to answer questions she may have too. You're not the only one who is confused.

Re: The Eternal Life Oxymoron- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 06:51 PM PDT

Georgiana -

Please respond to my post (or have you decided to bugger off?)

XPD

Re: The Eternal Life Oxymoron- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 06:51 PM PDT

Again with the "Proving a Negative" chant.

No one can prove a negative. Read a science book. Study the scientific method. The YOU prove there is a god.

(See many posts below dealing with the scientific impossibility of proving a negative.)

Re: The Eternal Life Oxymoron- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 06:47 PM PDT

XPD...Let me simply point out, as I did before, that ultimately you BELIEVE there is not a God...because, again, you cannot prove it, just as I cannot prove that there is a God. How does this make you more rational? You have espoused the religion of non-religion, if you will. Sooooo, you can try to demean my intelligence, but, if you can prove to me that God doesn't exist--and that therefore, you are the enlightened one--then you will shut me up forever. Otherwise, you are just like the Christians, Muslims, Hindus, etc., out there who espouse just another unprovable view of the universe...I fail to see how your unprovable view is superior to all the others. Certainly, you have built a very logical, well-read (and arrogant) system around your ex-Christianity (I suppose, your atheism), but on its core, I suspect you are as shaky and as clueless as any religious person out there. So, prove to me now or withhold your insults and your smugness.

Re: The Eternal Life Oxymoron- ExChristian.Net - Articles

Posted: 28 Oct 2009 06:39 PM PDT

Yes Cousin Ricky, and we don't even know if it is a SHE ! ! Usually most women are not this aggressive & angry coming right out of the box.....
Hmmmmmmmm.....

Posted by Christ at 12:07 AM
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