Family of God: Re: [FamilyofGod] ANOTHER COFFEE BREAK: HEAVEN VIII: Moses

We do have to be careful what we say, scripure says if the blind lead the blind they all fall in the ditch, if we make a mistake god will forgive.

On Mon Jan 31st, 2011 8:25 AM CST Shelley Cartwright wrote:

>Thanx but no forwarding ok?
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>On Mon Jan 31st, 2011 1:12 AM EST Regner Capener wrote:
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>>Heaven VIII: Moses
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>>Having been called to a prophetic ministry when I was very young, I have
>>become increasingly aware throughout the years that this is a very
>>controversial area of ministry - and one which requires the utmost
>>integrity.
>>
>>There is a level of responsibility that goes with speaking, declaring or
>>decreeing something "in the name of the Lord" as His representative and
>>spokesman that goes beyond normal preaching and teaching. Those of us who
>>walk and live in this realm have a higher standard to live by because if we
>>speak falsely or declare something that the Holy Spirit has not actually
>>said - or if we add to or take away from something He is saying - we
>>effectively discredit His Word and create conditions that Satan uses to
>>deafen people to hear the actual prophetic Word.
>>
>>This is true also of evangelists, pastors and teachers to a lesser degree,
>>but the one who speaks and says in essence, "Thus saith the Lord," had
>>better KNOW that the Lord is truly speaking that Word for that moment in
>>time and that the fruit or evidence must follow. I'm saying this because
>>I'm realizing that the Holy Spirit is really pulling us up short so that we
>>are cautious and careful - and yet bold to speak no matter the consequences.
>>
>>Thank God for the grace He has given throughout the years as I - and my
>>fellow brothers and sisters who operate in this realm of ministry - grow and
>>mature into the accuracy that must accompany us along with the personal
>>integrity required! I have not always been accurate. In years gone by I
>>have said things that obviously came out of a superheated imagination. They
>>didn't come to pass as I said. And each time that has taken place, there
>>has been an "OUCH" inside because I missed God. His grace has covered my
>>failures but He has used each failure to teach me.
>>
>>I've said all that to say this. There is a sifting taking place in the
>>prophetic "movement" (if I can use that descriptor) in this hour. There is
>>a shaking taking place for the purpose of sorting out those who are truly
>>anointed by the Holy Spirit and wear a prophetic mantle, and those who
>>prophesy in the name of the Lord for personal gain and self-aggrandizement.
>>There must be a separation that takes place so that as the apostle Paul
>>wrote, "that they which are approved [by God] may be made manifest among
>>you."
>>
>>That word "approved" in the Greek text is the word, dokimos. It is an
>>ancient word that was commonly used among those who refined gold and silver
>>for the purpose of creating coins with certain and fixed value, and it
>>speaks of the smelting process - heating gold or silver in a crucible to the
>>boiling point so that the impurities come to the surface and get scooped
>>off. In the end, what remains is the pure gold or pure silver.
>>
>>That's exactly what the Holy Spirit is doing - and has been doing - among
>>those who are called to declare, decree and speak forth in the onoma (name)
>>- the character, the essence, the nature and makeup of the Lord Jesus
>>Christ. We must be proven in the fire, and the Word tested and tried in us.
>>The Word that comes forth must be a proven and demonstrable Word.
>>
>>Just as there have been a number of preachers, teachers and evangelists who
>>have misused the truth of the message of prosperity for their own gain,
>>there have been those in the prophetic realm who have likewise misused their
>>anointing, pointing accusing fingers at certain individuals whose gifting,
>>anointing and sharing has been misunderstood and as a result brought
>>discredit to themselves and confusion in the Body of Christ. This sifting
>>of the Holy Spirit, therefore, and separation between the "approved" and
>>those who walk in error must, of necessity, take place.
>>
>>A certain young lady named Shamir brought my attention to the fact that in
>>my recent defense of some of the accused, I was doing the same thing as
>>those who were pointing accusing fingers. It was a warning I both received
>>and appreciated. When in our zeal to defend certain individuals or truths
>>we strongly believe, we use the same tactics as those who speak in error and
>>unbelief, we bring the same discredit to the Gospel. Naming names and
>>pointing fingers at individuals, accusing them of heresy, is both
>>unscriptural and in opposition to the command of the Lord (see I John 5:16).
>>
>>
>>Our responsibility is to minister forgiveness - not condemnation! Somehow
>>we have to get past the place where we feel any necessity to defend the Lord
>>or defend His Word. The Word of God defends itself and stands because of
>>the integrity of the Lord Jesus Christ. There is no need for our getting
>>into doctrinal disputations.
>>
>>For my part I am glad when the Holy Spirit brings correction and
>>admonishment to me. After sixty-plus years of walking with the Lord in a
>>very personal relationship I know that correction comes in His love and His
>>purpose to bring me to the fulfillment of His destiny in and for me. We
>>live in the declining seconds of an age that is rapidly drawing to a close
>>and it is critical that we all walk circumspectly with an increasing thirst
>>for the manifested presence of the Lord in us.
>>
>>'Nuff said on that topic for now! Let's get back to our discussions on
>>Heaven and the important sharing that took place. What I've just shared is
>>relevant to my discussions with Moses.
>>
>>My conversation with Moses followed the succession of my conversations with
>>Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - and indeed, with the exception of Joseph, all of
>>my conversations followed in the chronological order of the lives of those
>>individuals throughout the centuries. Because I was remembering so much of
>>my experiences and conversations with David, I took him out of sequence in
>>these Coffee Breaks.
>>
>>Joseph was the one exception to the order of things. Other than a brief
>>meeting with him on this first trip to Heaven, I did not have a real
>>in-depth conversation with him until some two years later on my second trip
>>to Heaven. In fact, he was the entire focus of my second trip, and it was a
>>very different experience from this first one.
>>
>>As previously noted, virtually everyone I met and spoke with appeared in the
>>prime of life. It's a funny thing, but I suppose because Moses didn't even
>>begin leading Israel until he was 80 years of age I somehow expected him to
>>look like a stereotypical 80-year old. Wrong! He was strong, muscular and
>>appearing vibrantly healthy - much, I would suppose - as he did when he fled
>>from the courts and palace after Pharaoh found out who he was and how he had
>>killed an Egyptian.
>>
>>My questions to Moses centered briefly on his life as Pharaoh's grandson,
>>then his experiences with the burning bush and the voice of God, next his
>>return to Egypt to face a Pharaoh he would likely have known as an heir to
>>the throne before he fled into Midian, and finally the things he experienced
>>with Israel as they were in the wilderness. I was curious about his
>>responses to the Lord and how, after spending so much of his early life in
>>Egyptian culture, he was able to respond to God. His answers were a bit of
>>a surprise since there was nothing in my reading of Scripture that had
>>indicated the picture he drew for me.
>>
>>Our conversation began after my introduction to him like this: "Moses, I
>>always thought you grew up in Pharaoh's palace without any real awareness of
>>God, and that He introduced Himself to you for the first time in the burning
>>bush. What did you think when you first heard the Lord?"
>>
>>He smiled and then laughed. "I suppose a lot of folks think that's the way
>>it happened, but if you think back to the account in Exodus you'll remember
>>that my sister, Miriam, offered to get a nurse for me when Pharaoh's
>>daughter found me in the river. You'll also remember that it was my mother
>>who Miriam got as my nurse.
>>
>>"Now think about it for a minute. I spent more of my early years with my
>>real parents than I did in Pharaoh's palace. My mother spent a great deal
>>of time talking about the God of Israel and telling me about our heritage as
>>descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I wasn't unfamiliar with God.
>>We'd just never met personally until that day on Mount Horeb.
>>
>>"Yes, I spent a great deal of time with my adoptive Egyptian mother,
>>Pharaoh's daughter, and she made certain that I was treated as a possible
>>heir to the throne of Egypt. Pharaoh never knew of my birth as a Hebrew.
>>Had he known, he would easily have killed his own daughter - and me!"
>>
>>"So you pretty much knew, then, that you were not an Egyptian during your
>>growing-up years?" I asked. "Was it hard to keep the secret? Did you look
>>enough like an Egyptian that no one asked?"
>>
>>Moses just chuckled. "Egyptians and Jews look a lot alike. Dress an
>>Egyptian in the clothing of a Hebrew shepherd and you'd never know. Put me
>>in the typical garb of a member of the royal family and to all practical
>>intents I was Egyptian. No one ever questioned that I was a prince."
>>
>>He continued. "I didn't really spend a lot of time among Pharaoh's family
>>until after I was 12 years of age. They'd seen enough of me during my
>>earlier years that I wasn't a stranger, but you have to understand that
>>children who were of the house of Pharaoh didn't really have the run of
>>Pharaoh's palaces during their nursing years and even up until they were
>>perhaps eight years of age. When they reached that age they were being
>>schooled as members of the royal family. Pharaoh's daughter eased me in
>>stages into my preparation as a prince of Egypt.
>>
>>"Those first years of my life with my parents teaching me about my heritage
>>as a descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - being a Hebrew - became so
>>instilled in me that when, as I grew older, I began to see the bondage and
>>hard labor of the Jews under the hand of Pharaoh. An anger and rebellion
>>began to grow inside of me at the treatment I was seeing. I wasn't good at
>>expressing myself verbally so my frustrations just grew greater and greater
>>as they were pent up.
>>
>>"Nearing the age of 40, everything exploded in me one day when I saw a
>>taskmaster beating a young Hebrew who was under his charge. Rage took over
>>and before I realized what had happened, I had killed that Egyptian. I dug
>>out some sand and quickly buried him, unaware that my actions had been
>>witnessed.
>>
>>"Everything was still seething in me the next day when I saw a fight unfold
>>between a couple of my fellow Hebrews. When I stepped in to intervene, the
>>man who provoked the fight somehow knew that I was not a prince of Egypt but
>>rather a Hebrew like him. When he angrily responded, 'Who made you our
>>prince and judge? Are you going to kill me like you killed that Egyptian
>>yesterday?' it shook me to realize that my identity as someone other than a
>>prince of Egypt had been discovered. I knew that news would travel fast and
>>eventually reach Pharaoh's ears.
>>
>>"It did! It wasn't a matter of more than a few weeks and Pharaoh found out
>>about the deception. From that moment there was an edict against me and my
>>life was done in Egypt. There was nothing to do but run for my life.
>>
>>"It took me many days of walking and running to cross what you would see as
>>more than a hundred miles of desert and wilderness until I wound up spent
>>and famished among the fields and herds of Jethro, the Midianite. You
>>pretty much know the story. Jethro took me in; and after discovering that
>>we were related to each other distantly through Abraham he gave me his
>>daughter, Zipporah, as my wife.
>>
>>"For most of the next forty years, I was a farmer and a shepherd - at first
>>taking care of Jethro's flocks and herds, and then having my own. Zipporah
>>and I had a couple of sons whom we raised to likewise be farmers and
>>shepherds."
>>
>>"So you lived a completely different life than you had in Egypt," I said.
>>"Wow! How hard was that? After the palace and royalty, now you are . well.
>>like a regular person!"
>>
>>"This was an important part of my life," Moses responded. He was obviously
>>amused at my analogy of his becoming "a regular person."
>>
>>"God had to take the Egypt out of me," he said. "For every year I had spent
>>in Egyptian life, living both as a prince of Egypt, and also as a Hebrew
>>seeing the hard bondage of travail of my people and being frustrated over
>>not being able to do anything about it, the Lord had to completely
>>re-educate me, year for year. My mindset had to change completely. I
>>didn't realize that the nomadic life of a shepherd and herdsman was
>>preparation for my future leadership of Israel and the years that were going
>>to be spent moving about like nomads in the wilderness."
>>
>>"So you were 80 years old - or almost 80 - when you first saw the burning
>>bush," I mused, thinking back to the Scriptures I had read. "What did you
>>think when you first saw that bush?"
>>
>>"It wasn't just the bush that wouldn't burn up, it was the appearance of the
>>Angel of the Lord in the midst of it," he responded. "At first I couldn't
>>believe what I was seeing, and then to see the Angel in the midst of the
>>fire.well.I'd heard stories about Abraham and Isaac and Jacob, and their
>>experiences with the Angel of the Lord, but this was not just a story! I
>>was seeing this with my eyes and hearing the Angel of the Lord with my ears!
>>It stopped me in my tracks.
>>
>>"It was the Lord God talking to me through this Angel! You can believe that
>>when I heard him say, 'Take your shoes off: you are standing on holy
>>ground,' I took my shoes off and dropped to the ground afraid to look."
>>
>>I interrupted him to ask, "What I don't understand is why when The Lord told
>>you that you were His chosen vessel to deliver Israel from the Egyptians -
>>and especially after you had the two signs of the rod turning into a serpent
>>and your hand becoming white with leprosy - you argued with Him, and
>>continued to argue with Him, and told Him that you couldn't speak and that
>>they wouldn't hear you! Why would you argue with God in the face of such
>>power and authority?"
>>
>>"That's a good and honest question," he answered. "Looking back in
>>retrospect, I'd have to say that there was a place of fear that still
>>existed in me. Despite having been out of Egypt for 40 years I was still
>>contaminated with the some of its remnants. Everything about Egypt was
>>fear. Pharaoh ruled by fear and intimidation. The people - both the
>>Egyptian people and we as Hebrews - lived our lives in constant fear. A
>>sword hung over the land continually.
>>
>>"At that point in my life, I really had no personal experience of walking
>>with God. Despite all the things I'd been told by my parents about the Lord
>>and all the things I'd heard about God's Covenant with Abraham, Isaac and
>>Jacob, it was all second hand. None of it was personal for me. God was
>>showing Himself to me in that moment and it should have been enough, but
>>there was still enough residual fear in me to contaminate my trust in Him."
>>
>>Moses stopped his explanation momentarily and pointed his finger at me.
>>"Let me tell you something, young man! The Lord has given you this
>>experience, just as He has already given you many other experiences with Him
>>and with angels to establish a baseline of trust and confidence in Him.
>>You're going to need it! We wouldn't be having this conversation if you
>>didn't have some very important purpose in His Kingdom economy in the years
>>to come.
>>
>>"Satan will try to fill you with fear. He will make every effort to
>>contaminate you just like I was. In the years to come you will have many
>>contrary experiences. You will probably blunder just like I did and make
>>decisions and choices you'd like to undo. Don't let your regrets and missed
>>opportunities deter you. Don't forget, God is a God of second chances. If
>>you miss it the first time, He'll give you another opportunity.
>>
>>"Your ability to trust the Lord completely no matter what you see and no
>>matter what experiences you have that seem totally contrary to His Word and
>>His commands to you. Your life will depend on your ability to trust Him and
>>have confident faith that whatever He tells you to do, you CAN do, and you
>>MUST do knowing that He most certainly will fulfill His Word to you. Speak
>>His Word no matter the people and no matter the circumstances. He will back
>>you up just like He backed me up."
>>
>>Those words registered in my being in that moment and just as Moses had
>>indicated, in the years to come I would get sidetracked and contaminated by
>>fear. I had no idea just how much the Enemy was going to try and sabotage
>>the Word in me and prevent me from fulfilling God's commission in me.
>>
>>Obviously I'm not going to have time today to talk about Moses' leadership
>>and his experiences in dealing with Israel and bringing them out of Egypt,
>>not to mention his frustration with them in the wilderness. We'll save that
>>for our next discussion.
>>
>>Next: HEAVEN: Moses & Israel.
>>
>>2011 is a year of great change, great stirring among the people of God! The
>>call to purity and cleanliness before God has gone forth - and is going
>>forth! This is also a year of God's recompense on behalf of His people - a
>>year of God's Justice!
>>
>>Blessings on you!
>>
>>Regner
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>>Regner A. Capener
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