Family of God: Re: [FamilyofGod] ANOTHER COFFEE BREAK: HEAVEN VIII: Moses

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On Mon Jan 31st, 2011 10:30 AM EST Wanda Ward wrote:

>We do have to be careful what we say, scripure says if the blind lead the blind they all fall in the ditch, if we make a mistake god will forgive.
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>On Mon Jan 31st, 2011 8:25 AM CST Shelley Cartwright wrote:
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>>Thanx but no forwarding ok?
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>>On Mon Jan 31st, 2011 1:12 AM EST Regner Capener wrote:
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>>>Heaven VIII: Moses
>>>
>>>Having been called to a prophetic ministry when I was very young, I have
>>>become increasingly aware throughout the years that this is a very
>>>controversial area of ministry - and one which requires the utmost
>>>integrity.
>>>
>>>There is a level of responsibility that goes with speaking, declaring or
>>>decreeing something "in the name of the Lord" as His representative and
>>>spokesman that goes beyond normal preaching and teaching. Those of us who
>>>walk and live in this realm have a higher standard to live by because if we
>>>speak falsely or declare something that the Holy Spirit has not actually
>>>said - or if we add to or take away from something He is saying - we
>>>effectively discredit His Word and create conditions that Satan uses to
>>>deafen people to hear the actual prophetic Word.
>>>
>>>This is true also of evangelists, pastors and teachers to a lesser degree,
>>>but the one who speaks and says in essence, "Thus saith the Lord," had
>>>better KNOW that the Lord is truly speaking that Word for that moment in
>>>time and that the fruit or evidence must follow. I'm saying this because
>>>I'm realizing that the Holy Spirit is really pulling us up short so that we
>>>are cautious and careful - and yet bold to speak no matter the consequences.
>>>
>>>Thank God for the grace He has given throughout the years as I - and my
>>>fellow brothers and sisters who operate in this realm of ministry - grow and
>>>mature into the accuracy that must accompany us along with the personal
>>>integrity required! I have not always been accurate. In years gone by I
>>>have said things that obviously came out of a superheated imagination. They
>>>didn't come to pass as I said. And each time that has taken place, there
>>>has been an "OUCH" inside because I missed God. His grace has covered my
>>>failures but He has used each failure to teach me.
>>>
>>>I've said all that to say this. There is a sifting taking place in the
>>>prophetic "movement" (if I can use that descriptor) in this hour. There is
>>>a shaking taking place for the purpose of sorting out those who are truly
>>>anointed by the Holy Spirit and wear a prophetic mantle, and those who
>>>prophesy in the name of the Lord for personal gain and self-aggrandizement.
>>>There must be a separation that takes place so that as the apostle Paul
>>>wrote, "that they which are approved [by God] may be made manifest among
>>>you."
>>>
>>>That word "approved" in the Greek text is the word, dokimos. It is an
>>>ancient word that was commonly used among those who refined gold and silver
>>>for the purpose of creating coins with certain and fixed value, and it
>>>speaks of the smelting process - heating gold or silver in a crucible to the
>>>boiling point so that the impurities come to the surface and get scooped
>>>off. In the end, what remains is the pure gold or pure silver.
>>>
>>>That's exactly what the Holy Spirit is doing - and has been doing - among
>>>those who are called to declare, decree and speak forth in the onoma (name)
>>>- the character, the essence, the nature and makeup of the Lord Jesus
>>>Christ. We must be proven in the fire, and the Word tested and tried in us.
>>>The Word that comes forth must be a proven and demonstrable Word.
>>>
>>>Just as there have been a number of preachers, teachers and evangelists who
>>>have misused the truth of the message of prosperity for their own gain,
>>>there have been those in the prophetic realm who have likewise misused their
>>>anointing, pointing accusing fingers at certain individuals whose gifting,
>>>anointing and sharing has been misunderstood and as a result brought
>>>discredit to themselves and confusion in the Body of Christ. This sifting
>>>of the Holy Spirit, therefore, and separation between the "approved" and
>>>those who walk in error must, of necessity, take place.
>>>
>>>A certain young lady named Shamir brought my attention to the fact that in
>>>my recent defense of some of the accused, I was doing the same thing as
>>>those who were pointing accusing fingers. It was a warning I both received
>>>and appreciated. When in our zeal to defend certain individuals or truths
>>>we strongly believe, we use the same tactics as those who speak in error and
>>>unbelief, we bring the same discredit to the Gospel. Naming names and
>>>pointing fingers at individuals, accusing them of heresy, is both
>>>unscriptural and in opposition to the command of the Lord (see I John 5:16).
>>>
>>>
>>>Our responsibility is to minister forgiveness - not condemnation! Somehow
>>>we have to get past the place where we feel any necessity to defend the Lord
>>>or defend His Word. The Word of God defends itself and stands because of
>>>the integrity of the Lord Jesus Christ. There is no need for our getting
>>>into doctrinal disputations.
>>>
>>>For my part I am glad when the Holy Spirit brings correction and
>>>admonishment to me. After sixty-plus years of walking with the Lord in a
>>>very personal relationship I know that correction comes in His love and His
>>>purpose to bring me to the fulfillment of His destiny in and for me. We
>>>live in the declining seconds of an age that is rapidly drawing to a close
>>>and it is critical that we all walk circumspectly with an increasing thirst
>>>for the manifested presence of the Lord in us.
>>>
>>>'Nuff said on that topic for now! Let's get back to our discussions on
>>>Heaven and the important sharing that took place. What I've just shared is
>>>relevant to my discussions with Moses.
>>>
>>>My conversation with Moses followed the succession of my conversations with
>>>Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - and indeed, with the exception of Joseph, all of
>>>my conversations followed in the chronological order of the lives of those
>>>individuals throughout the centuries. Because I was remembering so much of
>>>my experiences and conversations with David, I took him out of sequence in
>>>these Coffee Breaks.
>>>
>>>Joseph was the one exception to the order of things. Other than a brief
>>>meeting with him on this first trip to Heaven, I did not have a real
>>>in-depth conversation with him until some two years later on my second trip
>>>to Heaven. In fact, he was the entire focus of my second trip, and it was a
>>>very different experience from this first one.
>>>
>>>As previously noted, virtually everyone I met and spoke with appeared in the
>>>prime of life. It's a funny thing, but I suppose because Moses didn't even
>>>begin leading Israel until he was 80 years of age I somehow expected him to
>>>look like a stereotypical 80-year old. Wrong! He was strong, muscular and
>>>appearing vibrantly healthy - much, I would suppose - as he did when he fled
>>>from the courts and palace after Pharaoh found out who he was and how he had
>>>killed an Egyptian.
>>>
>>>My questions to Moses centered briefly on his life as Pharaoh's grandson,
>>>then his experiences with the burning bush and the voice of God, next his
>>>return to Egypt to face a Pharaoh he would likely have known as an heir to
>>>the throne before he fled into Midian, and finally the things he experienced
>>>with Israel as they were in the wilderness. I was curious about his
>>>responses to the Lord and how, after spending so much of his early life in
>>>Egyptian culture, he was able to respond to God. His answers were a bit of
>>>a surprise since there was nothing in my reading of Scripture that had
>>>indicated the picture he drew for me.
>>>
>>>Our conversation began after my introduction to him like this: "Moses, I
>>>always thought you grew up in Pharaoh's palace without any real awareness of
>>>God, and that He introduced Himself to you for the first time in the burning
>>>bush. What did you think when you first heard the Lord?"
>>>
>>>He smiled and then laughed. "I suppose a lot of folks think that's the way
>>>it happened, but if you think back to the account in Exodus you'll remember
>>>that my sister, Miriam, offered to get a nurse for me when Pharaoh's
>>>daughter found me in the river. You'll also remember that it was my mother
>>>who Miriam got as my nurse.
>>>
>>>"Now think about it for a minute. I spent more of my early years with my
>>>real parents than I did in Pharaoh's palace. My mother spent a great deal
>>>of time talking about the God of Israel and telling me about our heritage as
>>>descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I wasn't unfamiliar with God.
>>>We'd just never met personally until that day on Mount Horeb.
>>>
>>>"Yes, I spent a great deal of time with my adoptive Egyptian mother,
>>>Pharaoh's daughter, and she made certain that I was treated as a possible
>>>heir to the throne of Egypt. Pharaoh never knew of my birth as a Hebrew.
>>>Had he known, he would easily have killed his own daughter - and me!"
>>>
>>>"So you pretty much knew, then, that you were not an Egyptian during your
>>>growing-up years?" I asked. "Was it hard to keep the secret? Did you look
>>>enough like an Egyptian that no one asked?"
>>>
>>>Moses just chuckled. "Egyptians and Jews look a lot alike. Dress an
>>>Egyptian in the clothing of a Hebrew shepherd and you'd never know. Put me
>>>in the typical garb of a member of the royal family and to all practical
>>>intents I was Egyptian. No one ever questioned that I was a prince."
>>>
>>>He continued. "I didn't really spend a lot of time among Pharaoh's family
>>>until after I was 12 years of age. They'd seen enough of me during my
>>>earlier years that I wasn't a stranger, but you have to understand that
>>>children who were of the house of Pharaoh didn't really have the run of
>>>Pharaoh's palaces during their nursing years and even up until they were
>>>perhaps eight years of age. When they reached that age they were being
>>>schooled as members of the royal family. Pharaoh's daughter eased me in
>>>stages into my preparation as a prince of Egypt.
>>>
>>>"Those first years of my life with my parents teaching me about my heritage
>>>as a descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - being a Hebrew - became so
>>>instilled in me that when, as I grew older, I began to see the bondage and
>>>hard labor of the Jews under the hand of Pharaoh. An anger and rebellion
>>>began to grow inside of me at the treatment I was seeing. I wasn't good at
>>>expressing myself verbally so my frustrations just grew greater and greater
>>>as they were pent up.
>>>
>>>"Nearing the age of 40, everything exploded in me one day when I saw a
>>>taskmaster beating a young Hebrew who was under his charge. Rage took over
>>>and before I realized what had happened, I had killed that Egyptian. I dug
>>>out some sand and quickly buried him, unaware that my actions had been
>>>witnessed.
>>>
>>>"Everything was still seething in me the next day when I saw a fight unfold
>>>between a couple of my fellow Hebrews. When I stepped in to intervene, the
>>>man who provoked the fight somehow knew that I was not a prince of Egypt but
>>>rather a Hebrew like him. When he angrily responded, 'Who made you our
>>>prince and judge? Are you going to kill me like you killed that Egyptian
>>>yesterday?' it shook me to realize that my identity as someone other than a
>>>prince of Egypt had been discovered. I knew that news would travel fast and
>>>eventually reach Pharaoh's ears.
>>>
>>>"It did! It wasn't a matter of more than a few weeks and Pharaoh found out
>>>about the deception. From that moment there was an edict against me and my
>>>life was done in Egypt. There was nothing to do but run for my life.
>>>
>>>"It took me many days of walking and running to cross what you would see as
>>>more than a hundred miles of desert and wilderness until I wound up spent
>>>and famished among the fields and herds of Jethro, the Midianite. You
>>>pretty much know the story. Jethro took me in; and after discovering that
>>>we were related to each other distantly through Abraham he gave me his
>>>daughter, Zipporah, as my wife.
>>>
>>>"For most of the next forty years, I was a farmer and a shepherd - at first
>>>taking care of Jethro's flocks and herds, and then having my own. Zipporah
>>>and I had a couple of sons whom we raised to likewise be farmers and
>>>shepherds."
>>>
>>>"So you lived a completely different life than you had in Egypt," I said.
>>>"Wow! How hard was that? After the palace and royalty, now you are . well.
>>>like a regular person!"
>>>
>>>"This was an important part of my life," Moses responded. He was obviously
>>>amused at my analogy of his becoming "a regular person."
>>>
>>>"God had to take the Egypt out of me," he said. "For every year I had spent
>>>in Egyptian life, living both as a prince of Egypt, and also as a Hebrew
>>>seeing the hard bondage of travail of my people and being frustrated over
>>>not being able to do anything about it, the Lord had to completely
>>>re-educate me, year for year. My mindset had to change completely. I
>>>didn't realize that the nomadic life of a shepherd and herdsman was
>>>preparation for my future leadership of Israel and the years that were going
>>>to be spent moving about like nomads in the wilderness."
>>>
>>>"So you were 80 years old - or almost 80 - when you first saw the burning
>>>bush," I mused, thinking back to the Scriptures I had read. "What did you
>>>think when you first saw that bush?"
>>>
>>>"It wasn't just the bush that wouldn't burn up, it was the appearance of the
>>>Angel of the Lord in the midst of it," he responded. "At first I couldn't
>>>believe what I was seeing, and then to see the Angel in the midst of the
>>>fire.well.I'd heard stories about Abraham and Isaac and Jacob, and their
>>>experiences with the Angel of the Lord, but this was not just a story! I
>>>was seeing this with my eyes and hearing the Angel of the Lord with my ears!
>>>It stopped me in my tracks.
>>>
>>>"It was the Lord God talking to me through this Angel! You can believe that
>>>when I heard him say, 'Take your shoes off: you are standing on holy
>>>ground,' I took my shoes off and dropped to the ground afraid to look."
>>>
>>>I interrupted him to ask, "What I don't understand is why when The Lord told
>>>you that you were His chosen vessel to deliver Israel from the Egyptians -
>>>and especially after you had the two signs of the rod turning into a serpent
>>>and your hand becoming white with leprosy - you argued with Him, and
>>>continued to argue with Him, and told Him that you couldn't speak and that
>>>they wouldn't hear you! Why would you argue with God in the face of such
>>>power and authority?"
>>>
>>>"That's a good and honest question," he answered. "Looking back in
>>>retrospect, I'd have to say that there was a place of fear that still
>>>existed in me. Despite having been out of Egypt for 40 years I was still
>>>contaminated with the some of its remnants. Everything about Egypt was
>>>fear. Pharaoh ruled by fear and intimidation. The people - both the
>>>Egyptian people and we as Hebrews - lived our lives in constant fear. A
>>>sword hung over the land continually.
>>>
>>>"At that point in my life, I really had no personal experience of walking
>>>with God. Despite all the things I'd been told by my parents about the Lord
>>>and all the things I'd heard about God's Covenant with Abraham, Isaac and
>>>Jacob, it was all second hand. None of it was personal for me. God was
>>>showing Himself to me in that moment and it should have been enough, but
>>>there was still enough residual fear in me to contaminate my trust in Him."
>>>
>>>Moses stopped his explanation momentarily and pointed his finger at me.
>>>"Let me tell you something, young man! The Lord has given you this
>>>experience, just as He has already given you many other experiences with Him
>>>and with angels to establish a baseline of trust and confidence in Him.
>>>You're going to need it! We wouldn't be having this conversation if you
>>>didn't have some very important purpose in His Kingdom economy in the years
>>>to come.
>>>
>>>"Satan will try to fill you with fear. He will make every effort to
>>>contaminate you just like I was. In the years to come you will have many
>>>contrary experiences. You will probably blunder just like I did and make
>>>decisions and choices you'd like to undo. Don't let your regrets and missed
>>>opportunities deter you. Don't forget, God is a God of second chances. If
>>>you miss it the first time, He'll give you another opportunity.
>>>
>>>"Your ability to trust the Lord completely no matter what you see and no
>>>matter what experiences you have that seem totally contrary to His Word and
>>>His commands to you. Your life will depend on your ability to trust Him and
>>>have confident faith that whatever He tells you to do, you CAN do, and you
>>>MUST do knowing that He most certainly will fulfill His Word to you. Speak
>>>His Word no matter the people and no matter the circumstances. He will back
>>>you up just like He backed me up."
>>>
>>>Those words registered in my being in that moment and just as Moses had
>>>indicated, in the years to come I would get sidetracked and contaminated by
>>>fear. I had no idea just how much the Enemy was going to try and sabotage
>>>the Word in me and prevent me from fulfilling God's commission in me.
>>>
>>>Obviously I'm not going to have time today to talk about Moses' leadership
>>>and his experiences in dealing with Israel and bringing them out of Egypt,
>>>not to mention his frustration with them in the wilderness. We'll save that
>>>for our next discussion.
>>>
>>>Next: HEAVEN: Moses & Israel.
>>>
>>>2011 is a year of great change, great stirring among the people of God! The
>>>call to purity and cleanliness before God has gone forth - and is going
>>>forth! This is also a year of God's recompense on behalf of His people - a
>>>year of God's Justice!
>>>
>>>Blessings on you!
>>>
>>>Regner
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>>>Regner A. Capener
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