Saturday, March 28, 2009

[Church_of_Christ] Re: Are we misunderstanding the scriptures?


Greetings Norman & Clay, ED here

 Norman said to Ed: My faith was strengthened when I learned the truth. I  was taught that we were commanded to worship every Sunday and take the  LS and I did that and other things that were taught as laws of God for  those who wanted to go to Heaven. I could not measure up to that  standard and I was weak and afraid of my salvation. . . .

ED: When the grace of God is ignored and a salvation of works is substituted, it is no wonder you were unhappy and troubled with being unable to measure up. None of us measure up! Jesus is our Advocate! He keeps us clean. We walk in the Spirit, not in the flesh. Fear is cast away and confidence in  him takes its place.  But walking in the light I look forward to assembling and praising God. I rejoice to commune with the Lord in the LS. I am eager to learn his will and in learning discover that there were some Jewish Christians that were abandoning the faith and the characteristic the ecidenced this was their failure to assemble. Thus the writer commanded others who were tempted to follow them into faithlessness to not forsake the assembly but to encourage each other more and more as the day gets nearer (Heb 10).

Clay's response:  The reason your faith was strengthened as was mine Norman is because we
were freed from the bondage and burden of Law.  That's what LAW without Grace does, touch that Ark and your dead. NEVER  any peace!  Hicup and die!  Use the instrument and go to hell!
 Take the Lord's supper any day but Sunday and die.  Fail to take the Lord's supper EVERY first day of the week and go to  hell.

ED: Tragically I am afraid you have gone from one extreme to the other. No OT figure was ever saved outside of Grace. No OT figure was ever saved by the Law. Heb 11 teaches us that every OT hero was saved "by faith", that is, trusting in the grace of God. They believed the promises! An Uzzah or a Nadab and Abihu is no different from an Ananiah and Saphira. They did n't trust God. We walk by faith; the jsut shall live by faith, trusting God's word. If in God's word I find the LS observed on the first day of the week, if I find that they sang praise, why should I be ridiculed for trusting in the word of God, especially when I discover some did not and were rebuked for going beyond the word of God. You want to make everything about "go to hell if you do this". It is not about that! God is the judge. What it is about is reverence. Do I revere God's word? Do I trust him enough to do his will and refuse to go beyond? That is the question.

 

>
> Sincerely misunderstand one's immersion in water and go to Hell!
>
> I was Baptized twice Lawrence and started to be the 3rd time just to be
> safe and still I had nightmares of burning in Hell! [>:)]
>
> Thank God for removing us from the old way of a ritual worship law!
>
> No more of the Old Way of Law keeping to stay out of Hell!
>
> Romans 7:6
> <http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=52&chapter=7&verse=6&versi\
> on=31&context=verse>
> But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the
> law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old
> way of the written code.
>
>
> We double sinned, we went beyond what was written and we produced a New
> written code for ritual worship law and rejected God's Holy Spirit! We
> have both grace and LIFE through the Spirit!
>
> I am still amazed at those that "claim" to both know and teach the
> scriptures and the embaressing FACT they STILL DON"T SEE IT!
>
> It is TRUELY the perfect example of the blind leading the blind.
>
> Grace and peace Clay
>

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