Family of God: [Church_of_Christ] Re: Holy Spirit 3

Kent,

> <snip - one person says X, the other says Y, the first makes the case
> for X, the second makes the case for Y, etc>
>
> I can't help but be reminded of Proverbs 18.17:
> > The first to state his case seems right
> > until another comes and cross-examines him.
>
> This ping-pong back-and-forth dialogue makes it fairly obvious, at least
> to me, that the issue of what the "perfect" is, and what ramifications
> the 1 Cor 13 passage has for the cessation of miraculous gifts, is not a
> clearly-stated doctrine of the Bible. Whatever conclusions we come to,
> it seems that a hefty dose of human logic must be applied. Thus, I would
> encourage all parties to hold your conclusions lightly; human logic, no
> matter how seemingly impeccable, is not to be trusted.

Kent, OUTSTANDING observations here. Personally, I hope everyone reads your post even if they miss the discussion between Ed and I. The I Cor 13 passage is so incredibly vague that ping-pong is the only way to discuss it.

As for your comment about human logic not being trustworthy, I do disagree there. All exegesis of scripture demands a certain amount of logic. If we don't trust logic, the bible, and all other sources, are useless. HOWEVER, the Spirit is also to be trusted, so we can rest in Him.

Anyway, great thoughts here. Thanks.

> Feel free to keep ping-ponging; I think it's great dialogue, and
> hopefully we're all learning. But I'd suggest hesitance in claiming that
> a definitive answer has been ascertained.

Ed and I will each be convinced in our own minds that we are right. That much is certain. But trying to get Ed to believe my position was never my goal. I debate to bring understanding, not a change of mind. Perhaps Ed will better understand my view by the end.

I know I better understand his already.

Ray

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