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Re: NO TRUE CHRISTIANS! - ExChristian.Net - Articles Posted: 18 Apr 2009 11:51 PM PDT out of respect good isnt always what you do but sometimes what you dont do i see homeless people on corners begging for change a little money i gave them the change i had in my pocket untill i relieze that if i give to those poeple they could just take that money and buy drugs with it i used to have a girl friend who used to be around alot of dope fiends and they would say let me get a doller so i can buy a burger but if you ask them how bout i go buy you a burger and you can come with me to get a burger at burger king they seem not to have time god is real im my opinion of course thats my opinion but alot of you take the text so literally most the oringinal text that is written is lost languages of ancient people which means that the languages can be miss interpreted but if i me for 10 dollars and i said i could give you something better then ten dollars which in chritian belief is salvation would you rather take the 10 dollars but if you assumed that christianity was real and true then which would you rather have truly money is not that important but we all need it to survive. you know it says that jesus is the way the truth the light and no one comes to the father but through him maybe he didnt say that but the church now which is or was the romans who at first rejected christianity put that in the text to influence people to follow them so they could remain in power but because it was so influencal that they couldnt fight it so they joined it and took control of it for thats why they killed jesus because he was gaining power and influence which meant they were loseing it i heard a pastor say that an infant if he or she dies not relizing christ which the bible states that he is the only way to salvation in believing in him then they go to hell thats cruel and foul in my opinion it doesnt sybolize love which is what god is especially because the child is innocent but he also states that if you have christ then you have the father and they are one so if you have the father dont you have the son and if you have the son dont you have the spirit so if you have the spirit then you have the son and the father also i figure you cant have one without the other so lets say the infant has the holy spirit without intelecully conprehending it then he has the son and the father as well so indeed he will see heaven i take what is right and weave out the bad cause god does not contridict him self man contridict what god is supposed to represent seeking thier own motives i believe their are other gods if thats what you want to call them they have powers but they are still the created i worship not the created but the creator and if you want to argue science then who siad that god didnt create the universe in a secular way through evolution the bible says other wise but perhaps man made it up or perhaps things are expressed in metaphor which jesus did teach in metaphor sometime i believe in jesus because it simbolizes humbleness in the fathers stand point perhaps he sent him self as a man and now we glorify his son which is him taking the some glory from him self it makes sense but of course there can be argument to it and im not saying i can prove it but if you want to argue against it then id be happy to allow the exchange of views and stand points perhaps new ideas or reliztion on both end can be birthed

Re: Dear Believer - ExChristian.Net - Articles Posted: 18 Apr 2009 11:16 PM PDT First things first, Tre31: Use paragraphs! Don't construct run-on sentences. Use proper punctuation. Capitalize the beginnings of sentences. Consider this an official reprimand from the Goddess of Punctuation (among other things). Now, on to business... "i my self can not deny spiritual thing for ive see ghost and spirits before..." I... see. Do you have any supporting evidence? Did anyone else see this, or did this happen in a dimly-lit room when you were in a state of mental and/or physical exhaustion? "...but truly most of science is based on some facts then lead to a theroy which is not fully able to be said as true..." This makes science far superior to religious dogma that refuses to change. Science is designed to improve understanding by correcting its own mistakes. "i believe that science will prove that there is a creator..." I don't. "...then could not the text that we call the bible be altered or changed and then said to be unchanged in history nations take over nations they burn and destroy there history of text written sometimes when someone gets conquered..." Yes. I agree that "history is written by the victors", and that countless ideas have been suppressed or destroyed by the winning side in a war. "you must know what god represents..." How is it possible to know this? There is no universal, coherent definition of 'god'. "I read a little on quantum physic one of the theroys is things are real if you believe they are real..." I'm not familiar with that theory; however, it resembles something I read in the book "Ch'i" by R.G.H. Siu. Wonderful, mind-twisting woo-woo that may or may not be true, but definitely worth reading once. You do raise many thought-provoking ideas, Tre31, but be aware that this is a site for Ex-Christians.

Re: Dear Believer - ExChristian.Net - Articles Posted: 18 Apr 2009 10:39 PM PDT One of Jesus's many contradictions was saying good works should be seen, and not seen. Mt. 5:16, 6:1-4 Mt. 5:16 hat these verses in my opinion say is that do good sincerely and honestly in love of other people so people can know that there is good in the world brought by god but not with hidden motives such as people who go to church and say load prayers in crowd and boast about what good they've dont just so poeple will think there great so they can stroke there ego if you do good do it in love if its seen then it cant be helped but dont do good just so it can be seen to gain prestige

Re: Dear Believer - ExChristian.Net - Articles Posted: 18 Apr 2009 10:27 PM PDT i read your feelings it makes sense to feel like you feel i my self can not deny spiritual thing for ive see ghost and spirits before and you state that science doesnt align with religion but truly most of science is based on some facts then lead to a theroy which is not fully able to be said as true dont get it mixed up i believe that science will prove that there is a creator but science only can prove and evaluate what it can state as fact but can you say that we have all the facts i dont take everything in the bible literally did you know alot of text or gospels as you can call them are not in the bible that means they were keeped out for what ever reason and if thats possible then could not the text that we call the bible be altered or changed and then said to be unchanged in history nations take over nations they burn and destroy there history of text written sometimes when someone gets conquered you must know what god represents then you can weave the right from the wrong if it is not good then it contradicts it self which could not be true. I read a little on quantum physic one of the theroys is things are real if you believe they are real which to me does not make sense if i said that when i left the house i saw a table there in the middle of the room and some one calls me after i leave and tells me the table is no loger there then to him it is not there but because i believe its there it makes it there which does not make sense the concept states that if i believe then its real though i do not say that it can not be possible but then how were we created or the first of all creation of life which to me is god but if someone had to believe he was there then there to make him real then there was some one before him but it has to end some where which logically would mean that you dont have to believe in something to make it real though believing can make you assume its real when in facts its not. but we did not just come from anywhere even matter or mass or waves or even the meterial that was need to cause the big bang theory if that is what some one wishes to believe which in fact it is only a theroy when means its possable but not a known fact quit allowing other people difine what god is and figure it out on your own by what god symbolizes which is all that is good dont completely reject the bible text but dont completely take it literally if it is not logical but what is logical to man is limited to the amount of knowlege the logical thinker has which no man has all knowlege and even the knowlege some claim to have can be false solomom said in proverbs in my own word is that you can say you are sure but sometimes you dont know if your right but one thing you can be sure of is that your not sure. then you say that how can a women have a kid as a virgin its possible now it this world is it not but we use technology we take a mans sperm and insert it in a women its possible though im not saying thats the way it was done then but it is possible but you cant say it didnt happen cause its not possible because its possible now and your argument would probably be that they didnt have the technology back then or even the knowlege of it but you state that truely not knowing the only thing you can be sure of is that your not sure is it not and even if you seek out the truth and find no facts that someone could have accomplished that but sometimes things in the past dont leave evidence that it was there so we cant assume that everything idea or knowlege that used to exist then is known now or can be proven to exist though in fact it could have im not telling you that im right as a christian but im not say that your right in the way you believe you choose to beleive what you believe but seek and use logic to question everything being open minded is not clinging to a belief blindly but if evidence possibliy can be presented then being willing to change what you believe is being open minded.

Re: At least I'm finally free - Testimonies of Ex-Christians Posted: 18 Apr 2009 09:57 PM PDT Neal stone, Dont forget catholic church camp! 1030pm Sodomy with Father Richard Head. Sorry everyonr for being insensetive I just cant help myself sometimes laughing to cover up anger!

Re: Left Christianity - Testimonies of Ex-Christians Posted: 18 Apr 2009 09:55 PM PDT terri It takes time to develop that relationship with the Lord and it usually... You can NOT have a personal relationship with Jesus because he is NOT there personally. You have simply fabricated a massive delusion by idiosyncratically interpreting the words of ignorant, primitive, superstitious, story tellers who recounted possible non-supernatural events or tried to explain phenomenon with superstitious supernatural explanations, always embellishing and adding magic, and folklore -- using the supposed voice of god -- to push their own specific biased agendas, which now resides in the limited and irrational imaginations of christians like yourself who use these antiquated stories by shaping and perverting and interpreting (making it mean whatever you want it to mean) to push your own polluted christian agendas. Bottom line, no one can assert with objective evidence, Jesus -- the man -- existed; let alone making the claim and prove with objective evidence he was the true, supernatural, resurrected, metaphysical son of god, as opposed to embellished, oral stories, eventually, written over time -- nothing but a piece of fiction, based on a possible, fallible, human, prophet or an amalgamation of several people and several earlier legends and myths. --S.

Re: At least I'm finally free - Testimonies of Ex-Christians Posted: 18 Apr 2009 08:30 PM PDT There is a certain glow of happiness on your post, Ryan. Good for you! I hope your coming out will be smooth, and that you will delay it until you are ready to deal with the consequences. Take care!

Re: I Tried, I Really Tried... - Testimonies of Ex-Christians Posted: 18 Apr 2009 08:24 PM PDT Stanley: 1. Please tell us that you do not get your information from the Bible Answer Man, aka, the pious Hank Hanegraaf. Hank is incapable of producing a single counter-intuitive thought. He repeats the same creationist drivel on the radio. 2. If you want to learn about counter-intuitive thinking, please see this site: http://questioning.org/sep04/irrelevant.html 3. If you want to educate yourself on applied counter-intuitive thinking, please go to this site: http://www.talkorigins.org/

Re: I Tried, I Really Tried... - Testimonies of Ex-Christians Posted: 18 Apr 2009 07:32 PM PDT Stanley Strickenbystupidity: "If I were to tell you that my house just appeared on a lot and nobody constructed it, you would never believe me." If we ever start to make houses out of self-replicating organic materials, then the scenario you describe could actually happen. I don't think it's a particularly good idea, however. I don't want to walk out into My back yard one fine morning and discover that My garage has had kittens. "Putting the 'shoe on the other foot' how can anyone look at our earth, sky, mountains, oceans, forests, solar system, human life, etc., etc., without realizing that someone created all of this." This is not a 'realization', Stanley. It is wishful thinking, unsupported by any actual evidence. And even if there were a creator-god, why do you automatically assume that it's your god and not someone/something else? Oðinn, Vili and Ve are also world-creating gods, y'know.

Re: At least I'm finally free - Testimonies of Ex-Christians Posted: 18 Apr 2009 07:28 PM PDT Ugh, Church Camp. I remember chruch camp. 6am Get up and shower etc. 7am sermon 8am breakfast 9am to 11am free time 11am sermon noon lunch 1pm to 4pm free time 5pm sermon 6pm dinner 8pm sermon 9pm bible study 10pm lights out I knew this pastor who taught heaven was mostly listening to preaching and if you didn't like preaching, you wouldn't like heaven. Please God, send me to hell!

Re: Left Christianity - Testimonies of Ex-Christians Posted: 18 Apr 2009 07:20 PM PDT Terri: "Just wanna say, alot of people believe in Jesus but that doesn't mean they know Him as Lord." Quite frankly, I don't think that a single Christian on this planet actually "knows" this "Jesus" fellow. They do, however, "know" a mythical character who lives only in their own imaginations. "If your not walking with Jesus at this time, I would venture a guess that you still have a big void in your life..." Bzzt! Disqualified for bogus mind-reading. Kindly pick up your 'parting contestant' box of stale macaroni on your way out the *whack* door. (dusts off Her Clue-by-Four and resets the trap for the next True Christian™)

Re: At least I'm finally free - Testimonies of Ex-Christians Posted: 18 Apr 2009 06:24 PM PDT I am glad you realized this at your age because it sucks to be 35 and realize youve led a lie your whole life. I cant say that all gay people are born that way and that for a large part of them that its not a choice. However as I really studied the world around me it became quite clear that love is possible between people of the same sex and we all know there are a lot of heterosexuals fucking marriage up. Bottom line for me is that I believe we have something you would call a soul and I just cant see it being male or female. I also recalled several people in my life that from a very early age I think we knew they were gay before they did. Truth is NO ONE can tell you for sure if you were born that way or not! And even if you werent does it really matter? It took me a long time to realize that my life and marriage is in no way threatened by yours. I welcome you to the real world and congratulate you on finding answers so young. In my opinion if you decide that you are gay you should be yourself and not pretend. Some people choose to hide it not out of shame but because they live away from family and they want to maintain a good relationship with family and they know that sometimes peoples prejudice can stop them from having relationships with family. Im not gay but I can relate because for me being a lifelong Mormon it was very hard to come out as an Agnostic.With the fall out after and losing my entire social structure at once felt like coming out of the closet. Either way Im proud of your intelligence,independence, and willingness to share.

Re: I Tried, I Really Tried... - Testimonies of Ex-Christians Posted: 18 Apr 2009 05:48 PM PDT So your saying that tangible evidence for a creator is necessary for belief in a god? Wow. Couldn't have said it better myself! Now about that evidence...got any? No? Well then, keep at it and you may eventually agree with us atheists. But try not to wait too long, or you would have waited your life away on fairy tales. Think about it.

Re: Left Christianity - Testimonies of Ex-Christians Posted: 18 Apr 2009 05:34 PM PDT Guess what Terri, I do'nt think you "know him" at all. I think you have an idea of what a "lord"should be and are making believe you "know" him/it/whatever. Please provide some credible evidence that you actually know something, anything about what you precieve to be the ultimate super duper personification of the one true god. Otherwise we will have to conclude that you are as delusional as the muslims and hindies and rastafarians and the pastafarians and the raelians ect...ect...

Re: Left Christianity - Testimonies of Ex-Christians Posted: 18 Apr 2009 05:20 PM PDT Why does Terri think Yolanda will be back here to check on a testimonial written years ago? Its obvious Terri has a big void in her faith which compels Terri to writing statements to others she perfectly knows will not be able to answer. Delusional.

Re: At least I'm finally free - Testimonies of Ex-Christians Posted: 18 Apr 2009 05:05 PM PDT Yay, wonderful! Thankfully, you realized the truth pretty soon in life. Yeah, one of the key factors in getting me to leave Christianity was that my friends wouldn't accept me as being bisexual. It was a sin to them. A choice I had made to sin against the almighty. And I thought if God was all about love, then why did he hate the love that men had for other men or women for women? Plus, who wants to be in something that won't accept you for being yourself?

Re: At least I'm finally free - Testimonies of Ex-Christians Posted: 18 Apr 2009 04:36 PM PDT My chains fell off, my heart was freed - I rose went forth and followed REASON! Well done, friend! Enjoy a shackle free life! Paul

Re: Left Christianity - Testimonies of Ex-Christians Posted: 18 Apr 2009 04:28 PM PDT Terri, Please tell me that you're still a teenager and not an adult? Your view of the world around you, is not only quite naive, but actually delusional. How do you explain all our members who once "accepted jesus", only to watch this mythical being walk away from them, usually when they needed him the most in their lives? ATF (Who thinks god should be tried in court as AWOL)

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