Re: [FamilyofGod] Obama....../ John
Well said........
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Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009 1:06:00 pm
To: "FamilyofGod@
From: "John Harvey P. Torre " <maverick.xtreme@
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] Obama....../ John
Dear Anna,
You are right, I am criticizing. But as I have so many times mentioned, it is a "Constructive Criticism", wherein I am trying to "pat" all of us to just pause for a while, look deep inside our hearts, & say: "Do I really have to say these things about others?" "What will be the benefit for all if I spread what I heard or think about a person?" "Will all these lead to Common Good?"
To answer your question: You have all the right in the world - and it is appropriate- to criticize anybody, even the President of The United States, as long as it is with regards to his actions, policies, and way of running the government. You are a citizen and a taxpayer. It is included in the provisions of your constitution. But when it comes to his faith or religious beliefs, I don't think anybody has a the right to do so. Like us, he is also practicing his faith.
So, I'm providing an alternative here. Instead of saying "this guy is bad because I heard that.....!", let us say "this guy's actions are contrary to our faith. Let us pray to God so that He will enlighten him" or "let us pray that God will intervene on our behalf and let Him change his heart".
***And of important note: I think you are now angry & shouting with me (In "netiquette"
Thank You.
Best Regards,
JOHN HARVEY P. TORRE
Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates
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-----Original Message-----
From: ANNA <cfemstudent@
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:42:47
To: <FamilyofGod@
Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] Obama....../ John
JOHN,
IN THIS GROUP, WE PRAISE THE NAME OF JESUS. WE PRAY, WE WORSHIP THE LORD, WE TRY TO BRING OTHERS TO THE SAVING KNOWLEDGE OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST, WE ASK FOR PRAYER AND WE ALSO LISTEN FROM OUR HEARTS AND EARS.
AND WE READ. AND WHAT I READ SOUNDS LIKE CRITICISM TO ME.
MY QUESTION IS THIS::::::::
INCLUDING THE UNITES STATES PRESIDENT IS APPROPRIATE?
I THINK NOT.
PROPHETESS ANNA
MODERATOR
--- On Sun, 4/19/09, John Harvey P. Torre <maverick.xtreme@ <mailto:maverick.
> From: John Harvey P. Torre <maverick.xtreme@ <mailto:maverick.
> Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] Obama....../ John
> To: "FamilyofGod@ <mailto:FamilyofGod
> Received: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 11:23 AM
> Thanks for your reply, Judy.
>
> As Molly put it, & it is also my intention as per my
> e-mail, what I stated is a constructive criticism.
> There's nowhere in my first message that I am putting
> down others. It was clearly stated that we should try to
> humble ourselves and not be judgemental to others.
>
> I'm also not saying that they are unbelievers. In fact,
> they have strong beliefs & faith in Christ. And that is
> where I am expressing my concern.What I am telling is this
> strong belief that others have might lead them to
> "judging" others who doesn't share the same.
> Let us not forget that we are created equal, whether you are
> a Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or practicing Judaism.
>
> To make my point direct: Let us all practice TOLERANCE to
> other, regardless of their faith. Let us make Christ our
> perfect role model. Let us humble ourselves to others. Let
> us avoid comments that belittle and judge another. Let us
> stop judging other's because of their faith. If other
> faiths are judging and mocking the Christian faith, let us
> bow our heads in meek silence and pray that through all of
> these, we are adding another glory to God. Let us make
> ourselves the least, so that we may be the first in the eyes
> of the Lord.
>
> Thank You.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> JOHN HARVEY P. TORRE
> Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Judy <SharingJesus@ <mailto:SharingJesu
>
> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:55:12
> To: <FamilyofGod@ <mailto:FamilyofGod
> Subject: Re: [FamilyofGod] Obama....../ John
>
>
>
> John, I understand your concern, but in a group this
> large there are
> Bound to be people that are unbelievers, with questions,
> and seeking help.
> There are bound to be many very young baby Christians in
> the Lord.
> The stronger Christians are hear as well, we try not to put
> down others
> But to lift them up, yet when it comes to outright sin, we
> try to use the
> Scriptures to guide the person to Jesus.
> Jesus himself spent much time with sinners, as they were
> the ones that
> Need help. If you go to any Christian church you will also
> find unbelievers.
> The sick are the ones that need the doctor, as Jesus said,
> the sinners
> are the ones that need the Lord. So we try not to judge
> their comments, but
> Seek to guide them in the way of the Lord.
> I hope that this helps you to understand the broad need of
> the people in
> This group. We are all sinners, saved by grace. Let us not
> forget our beginning
> years in the Lord.
> Judy L <><
>
> John wrote:
>
> I am really wondering: Are the members of this group really
> "Christians" in its truest sense & meaning?
> Why all these judgemental opinions & self-serving
> observations? I have noticed that all of the comments on
> this thread are based entirely on hear-says & by giving
> comments such as these, little did we know that we are
> judging the man without basis, & by doing so, we are
> whispering amongst ourselves very much like the Pharisees
> & Saducees during Jesus' times... Christians are not
> supposed to be like this. We should not damage a man's
> reputation by silent whispers & we should not spread
> lies & rumors. Most of all, we should be careful about
> what is coming out of our mouths & what are we writing,
> for we are like spreading fire... True Christians should not
> spread bad rumours about a person, regardless if we like
> him/her or not. Instead, we should "pray" for
> God's enlightenment & intervention. A true Christian
> should be humble and place himself under those who govern
> them (government)
> placed there. True Christians should not be the source of
> divisions & unrest.
>
> I hope the members will not take it against me (if ever my
> message will be allowed by the mods). It's just that I
> think we are making self-righteous & irresponsible
> comments here...
>
> Thank You...
> In Christ,
>
>
>
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